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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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will usher host and we have I think an

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exciting show tonight and it's mostly to

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do with Canada but not all Canada and

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you'll understand that in just one

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second here and a few minutes I have a

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friend of the show and personal friend

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Jordan Bonaparte UFO investigator of

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today then that's Chris witkowski he's

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coming on at 25 minutes into the show I

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want to thank everyone that supports the

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show and I also want to thank every

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listener I don't do that enough there

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are all different types of ways to

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listen you can catch us live on YouTube

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or live on kgr a radio plus there's a

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lot of other platforms as our podcast of

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course which you can get on your media

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player and every Thursday night we're

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over at the Dark Matter digital network

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I'm not sure exactly what time it is on

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Thursday but there is a schedule so

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check that out over there some at some

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point and a few days ago the anchor to

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the show the anchor show that is on the

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network and that's art bells old

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show midnight in the desert they got a

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new host and his name is Tim Weisberg

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nice guy and so you can check out the

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shows anyone can actually watch or

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listen to the shows I should say over

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there at the Dark Matter digital network

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midnight in the desert that's every

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night and that is on Eastern Time it's

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midnight to the wee hours in the morning

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or at Pacific time it's 9:00 p.m. so

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check that over at the Dark Matter

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digital network and for right now all

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that being said I would like to

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introduce that get I mean that new host

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Tim welcome to the show surprise guest

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thanks for having me yeah this early or

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not have to wait till midnight yes you

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are you know you're not in Canada I said

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this is a candidate show

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you know you're close enough you're in

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Massachusetts and yeah yeah so you have

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to you have to stay up late to do the

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show I that would I don't know if I

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could do that to be honest to deal those

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hours are and and what time do you I

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guess you have to reset your whole life

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but you get to bed at what 4:00 in the

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morning or something like that

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yeah I try to go to bed I leave my day

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job around you know a little bit after

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this go home take a nap wake up do the

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show then go and take like another like

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3 or 4 hour nap get up go to work you

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know and we it's working out so far but

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we're only in a week - talk to me in a

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couple of months yeah

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I've been a subscriber all the way back

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when art bell first came back I think it

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was 2015 or something like that but our

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show I do believe is the longest-running

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show I because of Keith over there

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he helped me go live for the very first

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time and I've been live ever since and I

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think that was 2013 we've been running

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on that Network and we get quite a few

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listeners there in Thursday at night

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even though it's a rerun so so it's a

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it's it's well done and you have Michele

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helping you getting guests and I know

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you have a good week coming up but

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before we get into that I want to

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quickly say that I just listened this

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evening for the show on the episode you

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did about the coronavirus and I know it

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has absolutely nothing to do with UFOs

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and not really paranormal but there is

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so much hype about it and the the

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guessed you had dialect die what was her

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name barrier Quaker

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yeah she was very good and you know you

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kind of put a lot of things to bed for

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instance a lot more people died from the

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flu then and it just does not make any

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news and there's so much hype about this

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you know people are wearing masks

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everywhere I went in to know I'm up in

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Maine and I went into physical therapy

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today and at the office they said have

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you been exposed to anyone with a corona

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virus I mean it's really it's really

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overblown and so I was glad you you did

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an episode about that yeah I mean I

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guess abundance of caution is the the

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freights youth

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but in actuality it's the people who are

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dying from this it's not healthy average

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people it's people that are at the

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extremes very young people very old

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people and always when that happens you

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you tend to get the hype and the horror

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stories that come out because the media

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likes a sensationalized thing so we

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tried to kind of peel back some of that

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and get into not only the truth of this

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virus but just the way that they cover

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viruses in general yeah yeah so you are

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doing shows on all different types of

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subjects like that has always been

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covered there I'm starting with art

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bells shows but can you give the our

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listener here a little bit of your

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background and how you were able to fill

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art bells seat well I don't know about

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that but we started doing my original

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radio show which is now in its 14th year

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is spooky south coast we started that in

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2006 and that was something where you

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know we didn't expect to get a big

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audience we thought it'd just be a local

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regional show but then we started

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podcasting and that made all the

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difference in the world and then when

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the did Dark Matter digital network

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started up Keith reached out and wanted

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to carry the show he said that he and

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art felt like it was something that kind

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of fit the mold of what art was doing

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and so we've been on there ever since

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then and then when Dave Schrader took

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over in Midnight in the desert and he

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needed to have some fill in hosts I was

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one of the people lucky enough to get

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that opportunity and then I kind of just

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became I guess the you know the Jay Leno

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to his Johnny Carson where I was usually

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the guy that they called first and more

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often than not I could do it and then it

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just made sense with his schedule now

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with holds her file going into a season

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two and everything

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excuse me everything on his plate it

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just made sense for me to kind of step

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into the big chair

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awesome well if you ever need a fill-in

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I'd be glad to do that

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hey we'll keep you on the look all right

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I did I did promise Dave I would oh

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yeah Dave is awesome Dave does such a

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great show but he is such a busy guy

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plus doesn't he have like ten kids or

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something like that and he has a lot of

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children like that and now if kids are

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having kids ovn and he just got a dog so

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good luck with that yeah no no he's he

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he's he doesn't he doesn't want to

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will drop and but anyway I'm really glad

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that you you were able to come on and

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just introduce yourself I wish you all

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the luck I hope it goes really well for

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you over there and and just enjoy

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yourself because you're gonna have some

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great guests as always there all right

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all about if I have some fun late at

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night that's what it's all about that's

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right yeah now it's time for you to go

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get a nap if you can thank you so much

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for having me all right you take care

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all right all right our next guests we

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have Jordan and Jordan is there he is

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hey Jordan

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how are you man yeah yeah thanks for

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being on hey what happened to your

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microphone setup you're using your

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iPhone stuff here oh and it's the kids

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are upstairs screaming and if I have a

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good enough mic you're gonna hear gosh

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knows what so I figure this is like kind

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of the security against that I got it

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you're hiding in the basement or

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something like that yeah

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so you are up in the Halifax Nova Scotia

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not we we met over at shag harbour how

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many year I don't even want to think how

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many years ago that was now yeah I don't

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like thinking the time passing that was

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like that was two or three years ago

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although it feels like two months ago if

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that yeah

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but it's yeah it was a time goes by fast

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there since then they share harbour got

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their own coins since you were last

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there that's right and and are they

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doing that event every year now yeah and

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I'm I met with Chris Stiles who's the

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urologist has kind of take on a lot of

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the planning he claims that this year is

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gonna be bigger than bed bigger and

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better than ever so it's still a while

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away another I guess ten months from now

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or eight months from now so I'm sure

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you'll hear about it hopefully he'll

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find a way to get you up there again

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well I'll tell you I did something I

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will never ever do again is I drove from

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Maine from my house all the way up

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around the arm of Nova Scotia yeah you

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know stopped in worst in Freedman lift

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and and then just drove all the way

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around I think it was two days of

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driving or something ridiculous when I

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could have just taken the ferry and just

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popped right

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yeah exactly then you lost your credit

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card alone that's right that was a lot

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of fun a dog bit me my own dog bit me

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your walk here in the UFO festival

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asking for handouts yes we had that I

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had the little basket and yeah the

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sunglass I tried but yeah yeah

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so hey up thanks for for joining us and

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I we're on for I don't know another 15

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minutes or so and I asked you if you

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could look up a little bit of UFO news

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what's going on so what did you find

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well I got a few things some that lean a

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bit more towards the controversial and

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some that lead more towards the topic of

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disclosure so I think maybe we'll start

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with that and there there's been an

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announcement that the Ministry of

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Defence in the UK has announced that

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they're going to release basically what

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they're what they're referring to as

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their secret UFO FILES and it sounds

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like anyone who's done a lot of kind of

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research into Canadian UFO history

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basically the Canadian government has a

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section of their website where they

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store all of the UFO files or any

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reports related to UFOs basically wide

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open for public consumption I can't

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think of the web address but if you

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search like Canada government UFO you'll

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find the division of the Canadian

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government's website that shares that it

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sounds like the Ministry of Defence in

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the UK is going to do something similar

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which was basically creating a portal on

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the government website to you know

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release I guess whatever they're able to

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but by the sounds of what they've said

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so far it's gonna - it's gonna be an

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abundance of documents spanning 1950 to

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2009 so I think you know the people who

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are watching the skies are going to have

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a lot of watching the computer screen

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and flipping through PDFs for a while

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but since I just find like what I like

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about something like this is for one as

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it gets the topic in the news because it

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gives something really interesting to

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talk about but also it just kind of adds

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to the acceptance of the phenomenon -

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here the government even in a

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tongue-in-cheek way tackling the topic

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and releasing the data so I think it's

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great news and

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and stuff that's right and just another

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thing moving things along as it seems

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huh yeah and it's you know that's been

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like since I started kind of following

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the UFO world the idea of disclosure and

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the government finally admitting you

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know what's been going on and the secret

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they've been hiding it's it's just been

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you know slowly it's been inching along

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but I feel like in the last year or two

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things have really been moving the you

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know the American government has said a

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whole lot of stuff that you know x-files

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kind of predicted they would I guess but

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it's a the American government has said

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a lot the Canadian government has never

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been that secretive about it and their

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interest in it but I think what else is

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interesting is lately is you're seeing a

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lot of private researchers really

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opening the doors to their work so of

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course when Stanton Friedman passed

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rest in peace stanton a wealth of UFO

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documents were released and I don't know

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if he gave it to a university but I

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believe the plan is they're going to

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organize it and allow access to it in I

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don't know if many kind of UFO

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researchers of yesteryears have done

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things like that have really like

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publicly shared their life's work

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basically and I I think that's just

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another step and uncovering what the

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heck is going on up there interesting I

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know I think somebody did that with with

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photographs and I don't want to get the

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name wrong so I'm not gonna bring it up

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but I think they gave their like legacy

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a big photograph collection over to I

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think open minds may have had had

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purchased that or something I'm not

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really sure exactly what happened yeah I

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what I like with like say what Stanton's

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done is it's not even just a selection

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of his work or his research it's

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basically the way I understand it is

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it's like a truckload of documents in

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books in hard drives with data of

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god-knows-what and it's just like I

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would love to be the person who was in

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charge of going through that like I

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guess the archivist who goes through and

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organizes that because I'm sure there's

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some really interesting things in there

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that even Stanton probably forgot he

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uncovered

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you know the 60s or something sure yeah

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I know

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Dave Marlar who's gonna be on the show

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coming up in a couple weeks has quite a

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library going in the States you know

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down in the Albuquerque area so he he is

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really you know conserving a lot of

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files and they're eventually going to go

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to a university there so yeah and I love

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when universities get things because you

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know one thing it's gonna be extremely

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well taken care of

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exactly and you know it's students

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curious minds are gonna have an access

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to that stuff open to everyone

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mm-hmm exactly we won't steal his

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thunder he's gonna talk about it but

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this topic is absolutely perfect for

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your guests Chris rutkowski because

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anyone who goes on google and searches

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UFOs you're in the last three four weeks

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or so you're gonna find articles about

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him opening the doors of his you know in

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Canada he's the guy people call him the

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Canadian UFO guy and even that is

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understating it like he him opening the

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doors to his collection and sharing it

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is I can't even express how amazing that

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is for people who are interested in this

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topic yeah speaking of that we do have a

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blog that's in the show notes that has

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to do all with that collection then I'm

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going to be talking to Chris about we

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also have a new blog up these blogs are

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written by Charles Lear who writes for

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the show we have another blog called

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UFOs over Canada it's kind of a broad

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brushstrokes of a number of different

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UFO incidents in Canada the you know all

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the good famous ones Falcon Lake and all

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that who is writing that

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oh that's Charles Lee or he writes for

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the show okay once a week but we put out

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a blog okay and that's okay I thought it

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was like an ongoing blog that's like one

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post is about the Canada UFO events cool

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yeah yeah we have some real interesting

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ones they I'm sure Chris is gonna get

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into it but people who watch your show

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internationally outside of Canada they

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probably don't know about the Falcon

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Lake UFO event in that's Chris is kind

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of the guy and telling that story and

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that story and his work and maintaining

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the legacy of that story is

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to blow your listeners minds and he gets

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into it yeah yeah I want to do want to I

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want to get into that because that's

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another fascinating one you know I I'm

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gonna also mention that I think someone

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has wrote me awhile back saying that was

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all a hoax and I just want to hear what

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what his thoughts are on that as well

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yeah I'm sure he'll have a lot to say

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about that yeah yeah so you said earlier

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you you had a did I hear you say

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something about some dirt or something

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like that

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well not dude I said it's just a

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controversial topic and it's like I'm

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sure if we even bring this up people in

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the comments are probably gonna tell me

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to go back to Canada or you know some

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awful thing like that but it's I'm sure

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I'm sure you're aware of this but

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there's been a lot of drama surrounding

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the man behind this YouTube channel

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secure team ten name is yeah security

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means that Tyler yes secure team ten

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yeah and of course like anyone who

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follows this topic is aware that there's

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a lot of debate about if it's all you

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know him creating hoax videos as a way

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to you know gain money and promote

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himself or whatever and that's a topic

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neither of us can figure out but with

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the the big or neither of us probably

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care to get into that but yeah the the

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big kind of controversy right now is he

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was criminal charges laid against him he

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was arrested and charged with driving

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while intoxicated but shortly after the

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arrest I guess is you channel went

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silent for a bit and then he came back

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with a video basically denying it in

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claiming in no uncertain terms that he's

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the victim of a basically a setup in a

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cover-up did you did you see the video

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do you know what I'm talking about yeah

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someone sent it to me so I did I did

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happen to watch it you know and yeah I

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mean if he's got some type of issues

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it's it's you know we don't want to yeah

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you know get into that but anyway it's a

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I don't have any problem though talking

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about his videos because not all of them

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but a lot of them are CGI and you know a

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lot of them are hoaxes and he has two

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million or so

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subscribers to his channel that's a

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money machine right there yeah you know

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it makes it it makes us all look bad

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because it's right his channel has a

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huge reach in often when I'm in kind of

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a mixed company if it ever comes up my

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interest in the UFO phenomenon it's it's

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very common that someone will say I see

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video you know there's a guy on YouTube

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needs secure team tennis videos are

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crazy and it's you know and so the

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public is kind of their first

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interaction with the phenomenon beyond

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fiction like a movie hopefully isn't but

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maybe you know a secured team 10 video

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and that's that's kind of sad well it

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you know I've said a few times on the

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show and and I I don't you know I I do

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get a lot of backlash for any calling

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out that I do but I I want the person

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that is just getting interested in the

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topic that will go online and and want

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to look at UFOs I don't want them to see

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fakes

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there's plenty out there that isn't and

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there's been plenty of sightings that

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aren't fake and for someone to get

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tainted you know right away there's a

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third phase of the Moon and and this

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site and you know and not not all of the

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videos are fraudulent but a lot of them

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are and there's no you know we're in the

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Wild West here there's no way to

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regulate something like that so it's

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it's a viewer beware type of thing you

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know and it's kind of like in the art

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world we say that everything is guilty

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till proven innocent you know and that's

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that's kind of how you have to look at a

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UFO video is try to find something wrong

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with it and and you know and there was

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one recently I don't know what channel

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was on it but whoever posted it said

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that there were and it was pretty darn

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good-looking too if you ask me and

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whoever posted it said there were

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hundreds of hundreds of witnesses but

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there were no other videos and no there

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was no other mention of who the

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witnesses were yeah so you know I don't

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know

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yeah there's it there's a guy on I

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follow him on Facebook

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in YouTube and I think people he's

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almost like the kryptonite just secure

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team I don't have you ever heard of him

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he his name is scott brando but he uses

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I think he's Italian in his channel and

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you name on Twitter is UFO of interest

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and basically his whole purpose I guess

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in that with a social media channel is

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to debunk hoaxers and he does a really

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good job at like what he'll do is if

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there's ever anything in you know in the

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media and the news of a viral video

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going around or secure team post

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something he's very quick to find kind

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of like the you know the artwork maybe

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that they are manipulating and animating

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to make it look as a UFO video or he's

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really good at tracing the history of a

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viral video to figure out you know who

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first posted it and you know who changed

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it or added a story to it to exaggerate

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it more but if you've never seen this

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guy you should look him up again it's

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Scott Brando's UFO of interest and

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actually American I think if you check

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them out you'd probably think of him as

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a good guest for your show he really

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knows his stuff well there was a I had

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okay all on my show years ago and she

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used to call herself Sheila aliens and I

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don't know whatever happened to her but

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she was doing that basically the same

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thing she was she was going through and

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and debunking and calling people out and

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she was really doing a pretty good job

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at it

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interesting yeah yeah we need to be self

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policing when it comes to this because

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you know you know we have to watch out

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for the people getting interest in this

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because otherwise they'll just think

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it's all you know a big hoax and yeah

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there's so much really going on it's a

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delicate topic too it's because it's

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it's so vague and it's so much is left

540
00:22:22,980 --> 00:22:20,080
to belief and whatnot that it's really

541
00:22:25,769 --> 00:22:22,990
hard and the the barrier to entry is

542
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:25,779
very very hefty because you really got

543
00:22:29,010 --> 00:22:27,490
to know what to look at and what to look

544
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:29,020
for to really understand that I should

545
00:22:33,539 --> 00:22:31,450
come in and all it takes is somebody

546
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:33,549
with a big voice that's just spewing

547
00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:38,200
nonsense to really throw things off you

548
00:22:42,030 --> 00:22:39,670
know I I haven't mentioned this

549
00:22:45,060 --> 00:22:42,040
yet but for the person that's first

550
00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:45,070
times that that's actually heard you on

551
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:48,340
this show you and I met of course quite

552
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:49,930
a while ago you were listening to this

553
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:52,570
show and we connected but can you we

554
00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:54,490
have just a couple minutes here can you

555
00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:56,980
tell them about your wonderful podcast

556
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,690
that I actually listened to I listened

557
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:01,360
to a handful of podcasts and yours is

558
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:03,130
one of them and I find it very enjoyable

559
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:07,140
here yeah my show is called night time I

560
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:11,770
cover Canadian crime mysteries strange

561
00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:13,450
stories like kind of the way I see it is

562
00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:15,580
I just try to find interesting things

563
00:23:18,990 --> 00:23:16,780
from Canadian history

564
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:19,000
and basically do like an audio

565
00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:21,250
documentary or like a radio documentary

566
00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:23,830
to share the story so sometimes it's a

567
00:23:29,420 --> 00:23:25,750
missing person sometimes it's a UFO

568
00:23:31,860 --> 00:23:29,430
event and I've done quite a bit of UFO

569
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:31,870
centric episode so I think listeners

570
00:23:36,210 --> 00:23:33,970
your show if they just searched night

571
00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:36,220
time on Apple podcasts or go to

572
00:23:39,660 --> 00:23:38,200
nighttime podcast calm or find my

573
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:39,670
channel on YouTube which is just night

574
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:42,730
time pod yeah you'll find some cool UFO

575
00:23:46,830 --> 00:23:45,370
stories that probably you're that you're

576
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:46,840
probably unaware of because again I'm

577
00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:51,010
covering Canadian topics yep

578
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:52,540
right someone just wrote in the chat

579
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:55,090
room that UFO interest has been at this

580
00:23:59,730 --> 00:23:58,090
for six years it looks like wow yeah

581
00:24:02,190 --> 00:23:59,740
he's really really impressed me that

582
00:24:06,030 --> 00:24:02,200
guy's got Brendo yeah so what do you

583
00:24:08,430 --> 00:24:06,040
have for shows coming up you had I was

584
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,440
trying to think of the ones recently the

585
00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:10,480
one that you had where that their house

586
00:24:16,350 --> 00:24:12,910
people's houses got fried in the inside

587
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,360
all the wiring yeah bizarre but the Bell

588
00:24:20,910 --> 00:24:18,480
Island boom that's Bell Island is a

589
00:24:23,340 --> 00:24:20,920
small island in Newfoundland and it

590
00:24:25,530 --> 00:24:23,350
basically was a some kind of aerial

591
00:24:28,410 --> 00:24:25,540
explosion basically an explosion in the

592
00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:28,420
sky that caused all sorts of a anomalous

593
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,100
electrical activity so I did a three

594
00:24:35,550 --> 00:24:33,520
part series on that where I am part one

595
00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:35,560
was just discussing the the event and

596
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:37,480
going through kind of the news archives

597
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,730
the second part was breaking it down a

598
00:24:44,490 --> 00:24:41,440
bit further with the hosts of the

599
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:44,500
astonishing legends podcast sure the two

600
00:24:48,450 --> 00:24:46,210
guys that I partner with a lot and then

601
00:24:50,820 --> 00:24:48,460
the third part was I met with and

602
00:24:52,530 --> 00:24:50,830
interviewed the she was a young woman

603
00:24:53,610 --> 00:24:52,540
living in the home at the time that has

604
00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:53,620
seen as grounds

605
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:55,630
but I interviewed her now as an older

606
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,370
lady still living in the house and for

607
00:25:01,290 --> 00:24:59,200
anyone who hasn't heard a Newfoundland

608
00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:01,300
accent if you listen to that episode

609
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:02,860
you'll hear something really unique

610
00:25:06,420 --> 00:25:04,510
all right glad hey Jordan we got to go

611
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:06,430
to break so hey thanks so much I really

612
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:08,650
appreciate you thanks for having me

613
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:10,810
Martin say hi to Chris for me I will and

614
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:13,210
we'll be right back we're going to a

615
00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:15,310
real break here and we'll be right back

616
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:19,750
with our guest Chris rutowski hey

617
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:23,340
welcome back we have Chris rutowski

618
00:25:28,410 --> 00:25:26,110
Rakowski I have a hard time with a name

619
00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:28,420
I'm sorry Chris okay that's all right

620
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:31,240
yeah thank you for coming on the show

621
00:25:35,940 --> 00:25:33,610
it's been a long time last time I

622
00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:35,950
actually we we kind of hung out a little

623
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:37,960
bit here and there out in Phoenix how

624
00:25:44,130 --> 00:25:39,970
many years ago was that oh boy was that

625
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,140
uh 2016 or earlier than that I can't

626
00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:46,960
even remember now yeah yeah but but

627
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:50,230
anyway I am excited to have you on the

628
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:53,530
show for a lot of reasons but for the

629
00:25:57,690 --> 00:25:56,410
person that doesn't know who you are can

630
00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:57,700
you give a little bit of your background

631
00:26:02,610 --> 00:25:59,940
and what got you interested in this

632
00:26:06,450 --> 00:26:02,620
amazing topic I think it's amazing oh

633
00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:06,460
well goes back a few years I started

634
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:10,270
investigating UFOs back in the 70s if

635
00:26:15,390 --> 00:26:11,320
you can believe that

636
00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:15,400
one of my mentors was Allen Hynek

637
00:26:23,070 --> 00:26:18,910
himself he had come up to Canada as part

638
00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:23,080
of a investigation of his on some UFOs

639
00:26:29,790 --> 00:26:25,960
that were seen up in in Manitoba in 1975

640
00:26:32,610 --> 00:26:29,800
I got to know him back then actually I

641
00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:32,620
formed what was then called the Manitoba

642
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:34,360
Center for UFO studies and that

643
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:36,250
progressed into the ufology research of

644
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,170
Manitoba and now simply you follow gee

645
00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:40,000
research over the years I've been

646
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,720
investigating for quite a few years my

647
00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:45,760
background is in astronomy and education

648
00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:47,350
I have degrees in the astronomy and

649
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:51,870
education I've travelled widely

650
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:55,600
investigating published many papers and

651
00:27:00,330 --> 00:26:58,330
books on the subject I'm probably best

652
00:27:02,550 --> 00:27:00,340
known for two things one is the annual

653
00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:02,560
Canadian UFO survey which looks at all

654
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:04,990
the UFO reports that were filed in

655
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:06,760
Canada in a single year we're actually

656
00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:07,510
in our third

657
00:27:12,930 --> 00:27:11,620
first year of doing this Wow which yeah

658
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:12,940
Wow

659
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,130
for me too and the other thing I think

660
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:17,200
people have probably seen me probably on

661
00:27:21,530 --> 00:27:19,450
some shows like unsolved mysteries and a

662
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:21,540
few others talking about the Falcon Lake

663
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:25,150
UFO case of 1967 which we reopened as a

664
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:29,980
cold case in the in the 1980s and just

665
00:27:36,420 --> 00:27:32,770
recently published a book called when

666
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:36,430
they appeared with co-author Stan

667
00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:38,650
mahalik who is the son of the primary

668
00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:42,460
witness and we tell the story of what

669
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,350
really happened back then when they

670
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:46,240
appeared not talking about they meeting

671
00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:49,570
aliens necessarily but the family was

672
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:51,160
taken aback when the Royal Canadian

673
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:53,170
Mounted Police throw Canadian Air Force

674
00:27:59,730 --> 00:27:56,530
UFO investigators curiosity seekers all

675
00:28:02,280 --> 00:27:59,740
descended on their small home in the

676
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:02,290
city of Winnipeg after when word got out

677
00:28:08,130 --> 00:28:05,890
that mr. Stephan mahalik and encountered

678
00:28:12,510 --> 00:28:08,140
what was described as a flying saucer a

679
00:28:16,260 --> 00:28:12,520
hollywood-style flying saucer about an

680
00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:16,270
hour north of the American border and if

681
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:17,980
the case has been one of the best ones

682
00:28:23,610 --> 00:28:20,470
on record anywhere around the world so

683
00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:23,620
it's a I've you know been investigating

684
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:25,480
things recently and then looking into

685
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,490
some of the older stuff too because out

686
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:28,960
of some of the old cases you can find

687
00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:31,330
some real treasures absolutely and I do

688
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:33,880
want to talk about the Falcon Lake case

689
00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:36,910
in depth a little bit later on but first

690
00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:38,380
before we go there do you ever have any

691
00:28:43,770 --> 00:28:42,190
earthquakes in in Canada oh absolutely

692
00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:43,780
earthquakes in Canada

693
00:28:49,650 --> 00:28:46,120
I'm just looking behind you I see those

694
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:49,660
big bowling balls up on the top shelf oh

695
00:29:04,890 --> 00:28:55,210
the yes my start globe and a moon globe

696
00:29:07,050 --> 00:29:04,900
actually it's the astronomy my book yeah

697
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,060
we've-- and actually I one of the other

698
00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:09,520
things I've produced was a detailed

699
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:11,470
paper on the tectonic strain theory

700
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Michael Persinger who his name might not

701
00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:17,530
be familiar to some people but he was a

702
00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:20,350
researcher in physiological psychology

703
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:21,280
annex

704
00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:23,310
Furion shil psychology who believed that

705
00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:26,350
earthquakes were related to UFOs dating

706
00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:28,990
back to related to what John Darin the

707
00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:30,990
Upper Midwest was studying and so forth

708
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:34,540
and suggested that people across North

709
00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:38,020
America we're seeing UFOs that were

710
00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:40,660
actually energy emissions from a very

711
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:42,700
very minor earthquakes that jumped into

712
00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:45,010
the sky from from cracks that's

713
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:47,020
eventually erupted yeah yeah the

714
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:48,370
earthquake lights oh yeah I've heard

715
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:50,590
I've definitely heard about them which

716
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:53,100
is really fascinating I've wanted to

717
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:55,210
well I think it's great first of all

718
00:29:58,890 --> 00:29:56,590
that you're an astronomer and then you

719
00:30:01,170 --> 00:29:58,900
have an interest in this because you

720
00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:01,180
know a lot of people will say things

721
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:03,070
like oh you know no one you know no

722
00:30:07,710 --> 00:30:04,450
astronomers are going to be interested

723
00:30:09,930 --> 00:30:07,720
in in the UFO topic they're you know it

724
00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:09,940
would hurt their career or all that have

725
00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:13,630
you ever had any negative things happen

726
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:15,040
to you because you have an interest in

727
00:30:20,670 --> 00:30:18,250
UFOs as well I wouldn't say negative

728
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,680
necessarily certainly some of my

729
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:22,480
colleagues looked askance at me when I

730
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:24,490
took an interest in UFOs in fact I got

731
00:30:30,780 --> 00:30:28,240
into the UFO thing because as an

732
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:30,790
undergraduate student in astronomy my

733
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:32,890
professors were insistent that UFOs were

734
00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:34,630
nonsense and you know there you know

735
00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:35,980
people who see them are a little touched

736
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:37,480
in the head or they're just seeing spots

737
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:39,090
before their eyes or something like that

738
00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:43,570
and in the 1970s there was a fairly

739
00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:45,700
significant flap and in fact developed

740
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:50,680
into a wave and I they the call started

741
00:30:53,550 --> 00:30:52,330
coming into the Astronomy Department and

742
00:30:55,290 --> 00:30:53,560
my professors were getting a little bit

743
00:30:57,570 --> 00:30:55,300
flustered and annoyed at all these

744
00:30:59,520 --> 00:30:57,580
people who are interrupting they're

745
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,530
serious research with their UFO stories

746
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:01,840
and I sort of jumped in and said well

747
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:04,270
you know what why don't you just give

748
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:06,130
the calls to me because I'm my office is

749
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,440
right around the corner from yours and

750
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:10,480
I'll be glad to talk to these people I

751
00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:12,130
thought I would suck up to the props you

752
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:15,040
know trying to get on their good side so

753
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:16,690
I started talking with the people who

754
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:18,790
were calling and by golly you know these

755
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:20,830
people didn't sound crazy they simply

756
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:22,810
were seeing some things that were very

757
00:31:28,290 --> 00:31:25,360
unusual and I could explain a great many

758
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:28,300
of them but there were some cases that I

759
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:31,660
just wasn't sure what they were and over

760
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:34,210
the years I became you know the guy who

761
00:31:37,769 --> 00:31:35,049
was

762
00:31:39,869 --> 00:31:37,779
given the UFO reports over over the

763
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:39,879
course of time isn't that something

764
00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:43,360
amazing how how one little turn in the

765
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,950
road can just change your whole life

766
00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:46,720
like that that's amazing absolutely

767
00:31:49,739 --> 00:31:47,499
absolutely

768
00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:49,749
yeah um you know I know we're gonna be

769
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:52,629
doing this show on UFOs but I've the

770
00:31:59,460 --> 00:31:57,129
dark matter and dark energy you know I I

771
00:32:01,499 --> 00:31:59,470
had Seth Shostak on I don't know a few

772
00:32:03,629 --> 00:32:01,509
months ago and and he was saying you

773
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,639
know give me some UFO evidence and I

774
00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:06,159
said give me some Dark Matter evidence

775
00:32:10,379 --> 00:32:08,590
and not you know but he basically you're

776
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:10,389
saying this pointing out there that

777
00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:12,730
shows that Dark Matter exists but we

778
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,940
don't really know for sure I mean I'd

779
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:16,960
like to talk to someone

780
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:20,159
an astronomer about dark matter because

781
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,159
you know we're we're assuming something

782
00:32:29,609 --> 00:32:27,039
is there by the way galaxies behave and

783
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:29,619
you know but maybe there's something

784
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:32,169
about gravity that we don't understand

785
00:32:36,269 --> 00:32:33,369
or isn't there a lot of other

786
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:36,279
possibilities besides an actual matter

787
00:32:41,789 --> 00:32:38,850
that's causing these things to happen

788
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:41,799
well I mean my astrophysics courses were

789
00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:44,080
quite a few years ago but the the

790
00:32:50,099 --> 00:32:47,230
problem with dark matter and the and the

791
00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:50,109
galaxies and the universe itself is that

792
00:32:55,019 --> 00:32:53,320
we're we're we're not seeing the the

793
00:32:58,619 --> 00:32:55,029
right number the right amount of

794
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,629
material that's required to you know you

795
00:33:03,479 --> 00:33:00,159
know to keep the universe moving the way

796
00:33:04,889 --> 00:33:03,489
it is and they're suggesting that you

797
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:04,899
know there's some matter that we simply

798
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,450
don't don't see because it's hidden in

799
00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:09,519
galaxies and it's hidden in various

800
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:12,340
other ways so yeah the problem of dark

801
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:15,730
matter isn't an insignificant one but I

802
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:17,710
mean there's many many other issues in

803
00:33:23,249 --> 00:33:19,809
astronomy and astrophysics that are

804
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:23,259
curious I mean uh there's a colleague of

805
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:25,210
mine here at the University who studies

806
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:26,129
magnet ours

807
00:33:32,879 --> 00:33:29,710
neutron stars that are so dense that

808
00:33:34,619 --> 00:33:32,889
they're basically giant magnets you know

809
00:33:38,249 --> 00:33:34,629
hundreds and thousands of kilometers

810
00:33:41,159 --> 00:33:38,259
across that are doing some very strange

811
00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:41,169
things to other stars into matter in a

812
00:33:45,419 --> 00:33:43,720
and they in the universe so there there

813
00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:45,429
are some amazing things out there and

814
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:47,980
it's why I got into astronomy because

815
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:48,850
it's

816
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:51,490
type of thing you can just lie in your

817
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:56,080
back and look up and it gives you a

818
00:33:59,789 --> 00:33:57,610
completely different perspective when

819
00:34:03,210 --> 00:33:59,799
you can put all of that behind you and

820
00:34:05,159 --> 00:34:03,220
see what's going on in the universe you

821
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:05,169
know not to get too far off the UFO

822
00:34:12,329 --> 00:34:08,710
topic but um I've heard that there's you

823
00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:12,339
know the theory of the multiverse fits

824
00:34:18,139 --> 00:34:14,980
in nicely with with all the Spiderman

825
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:18,149
especially I think is right on with that

826
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:20,530
okay yeah I mean there's no question

827
00:34:24,569 --> 00:34:23,169
that that you know there is there's all

828
00:34:26,369 --> 00:34:24,579
sorts of great theories about multi

829
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:26,379
versus multi dimensions and parallel

830
00:34:30,659 --> 00:34:28,300
universes and and all that sort of stuff

831
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:30,669
and I hear it all a lot in ufology and

832
00:34:34,020 --> 00:34:32,409
the problem is that it is just

833
00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:34,030
speculation I mean we don't have any

834
00:34:38,099 --> 00:34:36,040
evidence that these things exist and

835
00:34:40,349 --> 00:34:38,109
even just saying that you know well the

836
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:40,359
UFO popped into another dimension well

837
00:34:45,859 --> 00:34:43,260
that that's a little flippant because

838
00:34:48,839 --> 00:34:45,869
the science behind that is simply

839
00:34:50,970 --> 00:34:48,849
science fiction at this point we don't

840
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:50,980
have any way of even conceiving of how

841
00:34:54,659 --> 00:34:52,690
that could be done we know that there

842
00:34:55,950 --> 00:34:54,669
are other dimensions you know you might

843
00:34:57,059 --> 00:34:55,960
have heard the fact that there's 11

844
00:34:59,250 --> 00:34:57,069
dimensions

845
00:35:02,040 --> 00:34:59,260
inside of every atom but on the macro

846
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:02,050
scale what we got are these four that we

847
00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:04,030
are very familiar with so we have to

848
00:35:08,579 --> 00:35:06,940
deal with what we have and right now III

849
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,589
like talking a little bit more of the

850
00:35:11,490 --> 00:35:10,240
nuts and bolts even though I know the

851
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:11,500
latest thing and ufology is

852
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:13,089
consciousness and who knows where that

853
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:16,450
goes yeah have you yourself ever had any

854
00:35:21,390 --> 00:35:19,050
type of sighting that you can't explain

855
00:35:23,490 --> 00:35:21,400
no I've never really had anything that

856
00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:23,500
that really puzzled me and people say

857
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,140
well why are you into this then because

858
00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:28,720
I'm fascinated with the possibility in

859
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:30,760
addition to the astronomy aspect and

860
00:35:35,849 --> 00:35:33,250
that's just one possibility with regard

861
00:35:38,309 --> 00:35:35,859
to UFOs I mean I I was also part of the

862
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:38,319
folklore studies in sociation of Canada

863
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:41,710
looking at UFOs as part of a popular

864
00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:43,810
mythology and and you know part of our

865
00:35:48,329 --> 00:35:45,460
quest for understanding who we are in

866
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:48,339
the universe but also I've given

867
00:35:55,890 --> 00:35:52,569
lectures in two departments of religious

868
00:35:58,589 --> 00:35:55,900
studies I've had interesting discussions

869
00:36:02,140 --> 00:35:58,599
with people in engineering fields and

870
00:36:04,989 --> 00:36:02,150
I'm going to be judging a science fair

871
00:36:08,109 --> 00:36:04,999
in a few weeks and so it's for me it's

872
00:36:11,019 --> 00:36:08,119
more important to engage people in the

873
00:36:12,819 --> 00:36:11,029
discussions of possibilities regardless

874
00:36:14,739 --> 00:36:12,829
of whether you believe that UFOs exist

875
00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:14,749
or not whether there's aliens out there

876
00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:17,900
or not even just talking about it and

877
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:21,380
getting into some fascinating realms of

878
00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:23,930
discourse I think really opens your mind

879
00:36:29,049 --> 00:36:27,230
because we happen to live in the Steven

880
00:36:31,329 --> 00:36:29,059
Spielberg generation or I guess maybe

881
00:36:34,269 --> 00:36:31,339
we're in the James Cameron generation

882
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:34,279
now where you can go to a movie and and

883
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,910
turn on the TV and see aliens pictured

884
00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:40,400
and conceive of travel between the stars

885
00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:42,470
so it's getting quite commonplace and

886
00:36:48,730 --> 00:36:45,740
the fact is that the study of UFO

887
00:36:53,069 --> 00:36:48,740
reports is really the foundation upon

888
00:36:56,650 --> 00:36:53,079
all of that and we use it very easily

889
00:36:58,749 --> 00:36:56,660
you know everyday conversation and and

890
00:37:02,410 --> 00:36:58,759
papers and books and magazines and and

891
00:37:04,029 --> 00:37:02,420
all that sort of stuff but the reality

892
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:04,039
is without the UFO reports we don't have

893
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:06,529
any connection to that and that's why I

894
00:37:10,059 --> 00:37:07,730
think it's important to look at the

895
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:10,069
serious side of ufology and the reports

896
00:37:14,499 --> 00:37:12,650
themselves yes and now I do want to talk

897
00:37:17,499 --> 00:37:14,509
about the reports that you sent over to

898
00:37:19,299 --> 00:37:17,509
the University of Manitoba

899
00:37:21,099 --> 00:37:19,309
and we will talk about that in just a

900
00:37:23,650 --> 00:37:21,109
minute but I did want to ask this

901
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:23,660
question from a listener before I forgot

902
00:37:28,359 --> 00:37:25,849
and and you were off the show and I

903
00:37:30,749 --> 00:37:28,369
remember next week so this is a

904
00:37:34,779 --> 00:37:30,759
liberties it's kind of a long wasted

905
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:34,789
long-winded question but liberties asked

906
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:37,609
the following I have recently learned

907
00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:39,890
you are Canada's representative to the

908
00:37:46,269 --> 00:37:43,670
five continents forum other than their

909
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:46,279
articles of association which are

910
00:37:51,249 --> 00:37:49,369
available on the Internet in fact and

911
00:37:53,470 --> 00:37:51,259
the fact that it is being funded by

912
00:37:56,049 --> 00:37:53,480
China very little information is known

913
00:37:59,799 --> 00:37:56,059
about the organization other than their

914
00:38:02,049 --> 00:37:59,809
first meeting that was held in 2018 in

915
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:02,059
Moscow Russia would you please tell us

916
00:38:07,539 --> 00:38:04,670
about the organization how many

917
00:38:10,779 --> 00:38:07,549
countries it involves and what its goals

918
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:10,789
are there's very little information in

919
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:15,660
the US right well the five continents

920
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:20,910
Group has met twice the the first one

921
00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:24,570
was you know some time ago in China the

922
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:27,630
most recent one was in Moscow I was

923
00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:30,720
invited to go unfortunately at the last

924
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:33,390
minute I was unable to go and the ideas

925
00:38:39,380 --> 00:38:35,400
to create a scientific forum bringing

926
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:39,390
together some experts from the various

927
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:43,530
countries to to engage a little bit more

928
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:46,380
and try and hammer out what's really

929
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:50,000
going on from a scientific standpoint I

930
00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:52,830
I know the bill Chalker from Australia

931
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:54,990
went to the first one

932
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:57,720
in fact we discussed about going to the

933
00:39:03,500 --> 00:38:59,940
the Moscow one he was unable to go as

934
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:03,510
well but there are a number of people

935
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,010
involved I and I have to be honest since

936
00:39:10,690 --> 00:39:07,440
I didn't go to the Moscow one I don't

937
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:10,700
know much about what was discussed there

938
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:14,490
but I think it's a really good

939
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:18,060
opportunity for scientists and experts

940
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:21,000
from around the globe to get together I

941
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:23,310
mean we talked about you know MUFON

942
00:39:27,980 --> 00:39:26,250
conferences and the the UFO Congress

943
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:27,990
every year but just imagine if you could

944
00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:30,510
get together the UFO experts from

945
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:33,230
literally all the continents on earth

946
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,369
just to talk a little bit and share

947
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:37,920
information that's very ambitious and I

948
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:39,330
actually I'm not even sure of who's

949
00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:42,810
funding this but it's it's quite an

950
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:44,430
ambitious project I look forward to

951
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:46,020
knowing more about it in some of the

952
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,490
future meetings that's about all I know

953
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:50,400
Wow yeah that is interesting I had never

954
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:51,930
even heard about it until this listener

955
00:39:55,340 --> 00:39:53,910
wrote me about it I guess he's been

956
00:39:58,220 --> 00:39:55,350
doing a lot of digging trying to figure

957
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,230
out what is going on curious that you

958
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:00,240
don't know who that who's funding it

959
00:40:04,099 --> 00:40:02,460
that that is simple if I had gone to

960
00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:04,109
mocs in Moscow I would have found out

961
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:07,320
but I never I never met them how about

962
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:10,200
that well I hope it's someone that just

963
00:40:16,099 --> 00:40:13,020
has pure interests and no other you know

964
00:40:20,359 --> 00:40:16,109
motives other than that most likely it

965
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:20,369
sounds like it yeah so we have about 10

966
00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:22,650
minutes in I don't think that's going to

967
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:24,600
be long enough to get into the Falcon

968
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:26,940
Lake but let's talk about what your

969
00:40:32,839 --> 00:40:29,160
donation right now if you google

970
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:32,849
your name many articles come up that you

971
00:40:39,260 --> 00:40:36,170
donate it I think it's 20000 UFO reports

972
00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:39,270
to the University so let's talk about

973
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:42,359
that and in general what was what what

974
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:44,490
is that about it's actually a little bit

975
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:46,980
more than 20,000 and I mentioned earlier

976
00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:50,400
that we're we're doing the annual

977
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:53,579
Canadian UFO survey and we've been doing

978
00:40:59,660 --> 00:40:56,880
it for 31 years and every year there's

979
00:41:04,069 --> 00:40:59,670
somewhere around a thousand UFO reports

980
00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:04,079
in Canada alone that are filed in

981
00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:06,750
previous years as we started there was a

982
00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:09,390
little bit less than that but in total

983
00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:12,329
there was something like 20,000 UFO

984
00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:14,190
reports up until last year we're a

985
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,150
little bit over that now and in addition

986
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:20,220
you know talk about Falcon Lake but

987
00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:21,930
there's also other government documents

988
00:41:28,279 --> 00:41:24,390
that are part of the donation behind me

989
00:41:29,569 --> 00:41:28,289
you can see some of my bookshelves which

990
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,579
are starting to get a little bare you

991
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:31,200
may not be able to tell that from from

992
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:33,569
behind me but I'm also donating my UFO

993
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,329
library and the idea was I was speaking

994
00:41:41,089 --> 00:41:39,359
with somebody at the archives at the

995
00:41:44,029 --> 00:41:41,099
University of Manitoba and I guess I

996
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:44,039
have a bit of a reputation I I I do some

997
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:48,960
media and I'd actually won a an award

998
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:52,500
for outreach in education regarding UFOs

999
00:41:59,029 --> 00:41:57,359
and astronomy and because of this my

1000
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,039
collection has been quite significant

1001
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,920
over the years in gathering steam and

1002
00:42:06,289 --> 00:42:03,359
the archivist said well you know we have

1003
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:06,299
eclectic collections in the University

1004
00:42:10,779 --> 00:42:08,460
of Manitoba archives and most people are

1005
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:10,789
unaware that the University of Manitoba

1006
00:42:21,319 --> 00:42:14,400
archives has a huge collection of

1007
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:21,329
paranormal artifacts it has dan aykroyd

1008
00:42:26,539 --> 00:42:24,720
father for example was a ghost hunter

1009
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:26,549
and paranormal investigator and his

1010
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,890
archives his founds are in the the

1011
00:42:32,779 --> 00:42:30,319
archives at the University of Manitoba

1012
00:42:37,569 --> 00:42:32,789
along with many many others who are into

1013
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:37,579
everything from channeling seances

1014
00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:41,010
electronic voice phenomena ESP psychic

1015
00:42:47,099 --> 00:42:42,320
research

1016
00:42:50,530 --> 00:42:47,109
you know there are spoons bent by some

1017
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:50,540
you know people who are into you know

1018
00:42:55,590 --> 00:42:51,770
some of the psychic advances around

1019
00:42:58,359 --> 00:42:55,600
those there are crystals there's dowsing

1020
00:43:00,280 --> 00:42:58,369
it's a huge collection and some of that

1021
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:00,290
and already included a little bit about

1022
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:03,260
UFOs so I thought the it seemed a

1023
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,330
no-brainer to include the UFO stuff in

1024
00:43:08,650 --> 00:43:07,280
my collection and so I was approached

1025
00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:08,660
and I said you know what are you gonna

1026
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,300
do with this stuff eventually and I was

1027
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:14,000
wondering about that you know twenty

1028
00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:16,010
thousand UFO reports take up a lot of

1029
00:43:22,420 --> 00:43:18,950
room in my home the books actually take

1030
00:43:25,650 --> 00:43:22,430
up more than than one room and then

1031
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:25,660
there's all the other UFOs eenz and

1032
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,880
other artifacts at comprised my

1033
00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:31,520
collection and you know if the offer to

1034
00:43:38,170 --> 00:43:35,270
make them available to people in the

1035
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:38,180
future some to researchers was was quite

1036
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:40,010
appealing and there's also a

1037
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,570
crowdfunding campaign that the

1038
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,760
university has started up to digitize

1039
00:43:48,970 --> 00:43:46,400
the collection so that in the future

1040
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:48,980
would be possible in the same way that

1041
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,570
some of the other collections you know

1042
00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:51,680
blue book at one time was available

1043
00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:53,900
online and it sort of disappeared now

1044
00:43:59,620 --> 00:43:56,420
but some people have copies of it but

1045
00:44:00,970 --> 00:43:59,630
you know twenty thousand cases plus all

1046
00:44:03,970 --> 00:44:00,980
the government documents that I've

1047
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,980
acquired over the years which most of

1048
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:05,920
which have not seen the light of day and

1049
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:10,400
the book so the giving campaign for the

1050
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:11,990
crowdfunding is a great opportunity for

1051
00:44:17,050 --> 00:44:13,730
the average person with an interest in

1052
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:17,060
UFOs to help fund UFO research and you

1053
00:44:22,420 --> 00:44:19,700
know literally every dollar counts and I

1054
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:22,430
think I gave you the the link to provide

1055
00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:24,890
to two readers of the blog and website

1056
00:44:29,650 --> 00:44:27,100
if they want to help contribute to this

1057
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:29,660
yes I will be in the show notes for

1058
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:31,970
anyone that's listening on the show and

1059
00:44:35,770 --> 00:44:33,550
I'll try to get that up on the youtube

1060
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,780
channel as well it made already i

1061
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:37,359
believe it's actually there right now

1062
00:44:42,460 --> 00:44:40,310
okay good yeah so that's that's great

1063
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,470
are you familiar with Dave Marlar he

1064
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:44,480
he's kind of planning the same type of

1065
00:44:50,609 --> 00:44:47,270
thing you know down the road I've met

1066
00:44:53,170 --> 00:44:50,619
Dave and I'm a little bit further along

1067
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:53,180
than him in age as well so I have a

1068
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:54,920
little bit more more than in the

1069
00:44:57,370 --> 00:44:56,090
collection but it's

1070
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:57,380
you know it's the type of thing where

1071
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:00,140
you know by golly to be able to look at

1072
00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:04,160
this stuff online and I mean a lot of

1073
00:45:10,690 --> 00:45:06,380
the the Canadian National Archives have

1074
00:45:14,260 --> 00:45:10,700
had its UFO archives available in

1075
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:14,270
physical form right from the start I

1076
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:16,910
mean there's disclosure in Canada is a

1077
00:45:22,930 --> 00:45:20,450
real nothing because we have we've

1078
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,940
always had access to the UFO files from

1079
00:45:26,380 --> 00:45:24,560
the National Research Council than the

1080
00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:26,390
Royal Canadian Air Force and so forth

1081
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:27,860
simply they were in the National

1082
00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:29,450
Archives and the National Archives of

1083
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:31,790
Canada have digitized eight or nine

1084
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:34,370
thousand documents in their collections

1085
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:36,230
so this is a little bit larger than

1086
00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:39,110
their collection and twenty thousand UFO

1087
00:45:42,970 --> 00:45:40,700
reports is actually larger than Blue

1088
00:45:45,550 --> 00:45:42,980
Book so when this is finally made

1089
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:45,560
available you know it's it's going to be

1090
00:45:51,220 --> 00:45:49,310
an interesting resource yes and as I

1091
00:45:53,770 --> 00:45:51,230
believe I mentioned to Jordan maybe was

1092
00:45:56,530 --> 00:45:53,780
off air I don't even know but once once

1093
00:45:58,410 --> 00:45:56,540
this is in the hands of a university you

1094
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,420
know it's gonna be taken care of

1095
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:00,800
absolutely it's in climate controlled

1096
00:46:06,370 --> 00:46:03,170
conditions rather than a dusty basement

1097
00:46:08,410 --> 00:46:06,380
yeah so you get your basement back and I

1098
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,420
do yeah I'm gonna have to make what do

1099
00:46:11,620 --> 00:46:09,920
they call it a man cave or something out

1100
00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:11,630
of it yes absolutely

1101
00:46:19,450 --> 00:46:16,700
UFO free Wow well that that's very very

1102
00:46:23,140 --> 00:46:19,460
kind of you to offer that and you know

1103
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:23,150
it'll be a legacy also you know in

1104
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:25,130
tribute to to all your work that you've

1105
00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:27,110
done now all right have you collected

1106
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:31,960
these UFO reports basically for Canada

1107
00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:35,630
is yeah this is this is all Canada if

1108
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:37,640
you can just imagine these cases are all

1109
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:41,570
Canada I do have some cases from the

1110
00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:42,890
United States I had did actually

1111
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:44,540
investigate in North Dakota and

1112
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:46,970
Minnesota personally since it's actually

1113
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,420
fairly close and then I have some files

1114
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:52,640
on some of the more noted cases you know

1115
00:46:59,710 --> 00:46:55,010
my ever do a file on Roswell for example

1116
00:47:01,810 --> 00:46:59,720
and Kecksburg and and a cache land

1117
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:01,820
remand and things like that so I mean I

1118
00:47:07,090 --> 00:47:03,730
do have some reports but this is a

1119
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:07,100
mostly a Canadian collection Stanton

1120
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:09,530
Friedman after his passing his

1121
00:47:15,940 --> 00:47:11,810
we donated his huge amount of archives

1122
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:15,950
to the province of New Brunswick so it's

1123
00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:18,770
in government archives and you know

1124
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:20,030
there are other archives that have been

1125
00:47:25,210 --> 00:47:22,970
developed over the years so the you know

1126
00:47:28,330 --> 00:47:25,220
James McDonald has as his papers

1127
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:28,340
elsewhere so you know this is a fine

1128
00:47:32,290 --> 00:47:30,650
tradition and I think it's preserving

1129
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:32,300
this information so it simply doesn't

1130
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:35,420
get lost that's right and and digitizing

1131
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,030
I think that's a digitized that's so

1132
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:39,920
important for anyone that is curious

1133
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:44,030
sent and once wants to look if you we

1134
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:47,690
just have a couple minutes to break what

1135
00:47:53,830 --> 00:47:50,210
besides that of Falcon Lake incident

1136
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:53,840
what are some of the really big cases

1137
00:47:59,590 --> 00:47:55,970
that really stand out in the history of

1138
00:48:02,440 --> 00:47:59,600
Canada since you've been at this well I

1139
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:02,450
mean I a lot of cases have popped up

1140
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:07,190
over the past 40 years or so but I mean

1141
00:48:10,510 --> 00:48:08,480
I have to mention some of the other

1142
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,520
cases besides Falcon like shag harbour

1143
00:48:16,030 --> 00:48:13,040
which also took place in 1967 the object

1144
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:16,040
that was supposed to fall into the the

1145
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:18,230
harbor I was just over there

1146
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:22,730
last year for their conference and you

1147
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,250
know there there's a museum there's a

1148
00:48:30,490 --> 00:48:27,680
commemoration sign and a and a guidepost

1149
00:48:33,010 --> 00:48:30,500
right at the at the shore some of the

1150
00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:33,020
witnesses are still around and I had

1151
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,660
opportunity to speak with them at at the

1152
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,000
conference and they're gonna be doing it

1153
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:40,400
again every year to have a something

1154
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:42,050
Falcon Lake has something like this as

1155
00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:44,450
well and then across Canada there have

1156
00:48:51,130 --> 00:48:45,830
been a number of their cases I know

1157
00:48:54,820 --> 00:48:51,140
there's a conference about the 19 is it

1158
00:48:58,590 --> 00:48:54,830
1980 1990 anniversary of the hotel

1159
00:49:00,730 --> 00:48:58,600
Bonaventure report in in Montreal

1160
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,740
there's a conference actually happening

1161
00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:02,960
in Montreal this year for the for the

1162
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,240
celebration and this is a case if people

1163
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:07,520
aren't familiar where dozens and dozens

1164
00:49:15,490 --> 00:49:12,260
of people including members of the

1165
00:49:17,410 --> 00:49:15,500
police there's some newspapers reporters

1166
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:17,420
they took photographs of an object that

1167
00:49:23,420 --> 00:49:19,310
was hovering or appeared to hover over

1168
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:23,430
up on the top floor of a high-rise

1169
00:49:29,329 --> 00:49:27,180
hotel right in downtown Montreal and to

1170
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:29,339
many this has not been satisfactorily

1171
00:49:33,799 --> 00:49:31,710
explained as well so you know there's

1172
00:49:34,940 --> 00:49:33,809
some fascinating cases out there and

1173
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:34,950
it's just a matter of digging out the

1174
00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:36,569
information and trying to understand

1175
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:38,760
what was going on

1176
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:41,369
so looks like we're just about ready to

1177
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:42,599
go into break so we might as well hit

1178
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:45,839
that now and when we come back we will

1179
00:49:49,849 --> 00:49:47,849
talk about the Falcon Lake incident

1180
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:49,859
during the break I want to speak to you

1181
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:52,260
too because I always get a I always get

1182
00:49:59,269 --> 00:49:57,660
a UFO event confused and I want to sort

1183
00:50:01,880 --> 00:49:59,279
that out with you and maybe we can talk

1184
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:01,890
about that as well and about a half hour

1185
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:05,000
in or so we'll start taking calls so

1186
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,740
alright everyone so we're gonna go hit

1187
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:09,599
the break right now and we'll be right

1188
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,690
back right after these see you soon all

1189
00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:15,599
right welcome back my guest this evening

1190
00:50:25,549 --> 00:50:19,740
is Chris Markowski and up in Canada and

1191
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:25,559
we are talking Canada UFOs and there are

1192
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:28,410
a lot of great cases and Chris thank you

1193
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:30,660
for helping me with the case I was

1194
00:50:35,650 --> 00:50:33,089
having trouble remembering exactly but

1195
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:35,660
you said it was uh it was in the Yukon

1196
00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:39,839
1996 Fox Lake the thing that struck me

1197
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:42,750
was and I remember of either reading

1198
00:50:48,799 --> 00:50:45,930
about it or just have read about it that

1199
00:50:52,210 --> 00:50:48,809
the witnesses saw this a long way away

1200
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:52,220
and it was huge and there were many

1201
00:50:56,779 --> 00:50:54,359
independent witnesses but they didn't

1202
00:50:58,519 --> 00:50:56,789
all like get together so there were

1203
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,529
separate accounts of this incident can

1204
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,200
you talk about it write a really great

1205
00:51:06,260 --> 00:51:02,640
Canadian researcher by the name of

1206
00:51:09,260 --> 00:51:06,270
Martin Jacek as part of UFO BC

1207
00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:09,270
investigated he had just heard something

1208
00:51:15,370 --> 00:51:11,339
in the wind literally that something may

1209
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:15,380
have been seen and talked to some radio

1210
00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:17,190
personalities and they said well you

1211
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:18,630
know we think it was a tip that happens

1212
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:20,730
somewhere in Fox Lake he ended up going

1213
00:51:26,269 --> 00:51:24,450
from town to town to town talking to

1214
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:26,279
people if they had seen this this object

1215
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:28,710
and what emerged was a very very

1216
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:31,410
consistent series of reports of an

1217
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:36,210
object that in 1996 slowly and

1218
00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:37,200
ponderously made a

1219
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:40,230
sway along the length of a of a lake as

1220
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:41,700
a highway that grows along the lake

1221
00:51:47,540 --> 00:51:44,450
between the lake in the mountain and he

1222
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,550
found these he did what was called a dig

1223
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:50,160
in ufology where you go into an area

1224
00:51:54,590 --> 00:51:52,410
that you suspect there are some reports

1225
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:54,600
and just persistently talk to people at

1226
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:57,450
gas stations and corner stores and bars

1227
00:52:03,350 --> 00:52:00,180
until you you know find people and he

1228
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:03,360
found originally 31 and I think over the

1229
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:05,310
course of the few more years he found in

1230
00:52:11,890 --> 00:52:08,460
the 40s and these people never spoke to

1231
00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:11,900
one another he had to track them down

1232
00:52:16,580 --> 00:52:14,070
families were living now you know in

1233
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:16,590
several miles away from one another and

1234
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,180
never thought to tell anybody about what

1235
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:20,640
they had seen they all painted a similar

1236
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:23,760
picture of a very large object with

1237
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:27,990
windows that moved from the lake over

1238
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:31,290
the mountain and there were two brothers

1239
00:52:38,260 --> 00:52:33,270
there sorry two cousins if I'm not

1240
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:38,270
mistaken who had seen this object

1241
00:52:42,650 --> 00:52:40,380
simultaneously from two different

1242
00:52:44,090 --> 00:52:42,660
directions they're driving in two

1243
00:52:47,330 --> 00:52:44,100
different vehicles one was ahead of the

1244
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:47,340
other the further ahead one stopped his

1245
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:50,130
truck got out and watched this thing fly

1246
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:52,680
directly overhead and described a very

1247
00:52:59,300 --> 00:52:55,950
very round object with a bright light on

1248
00:53:02,900 --> 00:52:59,310
at the bottom like a classic saucer but

1249
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:02,910
his his cousin who was about a mile or

1250
00:53:08,090 --> 00:53:05,970
two away sought you know from a

1251
00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:08,100
different angle from an oblique angle

1252
00:53:12,050 --> 00:53:10,740
and saw what he described as a large

1253
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:12,060
disc-shaped object or a long

1254
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:15,420
cigar-shaped object passing you know

1255
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:17,640
directly over his brother's vehicle so

1256
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,300
that's quite interesting now there have

1257
00:53:25,340 --> 00:53:23,460
been some attempts to explain this and

1258
00:53:27,260 --> 00:53:25,350
there's no question that some of the

1259
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,270
reports do seem to coincide with the

1260
00:53:33,140 --> 00:53:30,240
entry of a Russian rocket booster about

1261
00:53:35,090 --> 00:53:33,150
the same time the trouble is that we do

1262
00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:35,100
have some disparate reports that that

1263
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:36,990
don't seem to line up with that so what

1264
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:38,970
do you do with those especially since

1265
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:40,890
the witnesses you know are adamant that

1266
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:42,330
what they saw was was something

1267
00:53:46,580 --> 00:53:44,760
completely different it would be very

1268
00:53:48,110 --> 00:53:46,590
strange for a UFO to be flying

1269
00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:48,120
underneath the descent of a rocket

1270
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:50,920
booster but

1271
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:53,890
you know it's it's it's it adds up to a

1272
00:53:59,849 --> 00:53:57,130
very fascinating exercise in in UFO

1273
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,859
research and investigation so uh you

1274
00:54:03,269 --> 00:54:02,079
know Martin did a fantastic job and you

1275
00:54:05,489 --> 00:54:03,279
know ranks is one of the best

1276
00:54:08,249 --> 00:54:05,499
investigative pieces I've ever seen in

1277
00:54:11,819 --> 00:54:08,259
fact he produced a report on this which

1278
00:54:14,929 --> 00:54:11,829
was given to the yukon government which

1279
00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:14,939
tabled it in their one of their sessions

1280
00:54:20,989 --> 00:54:19,660
and discussed it you know the the Yukon

1281
00:54:24,479 --> 00:54:20,999
Minister I think of the environment

1282
00:54:26,429 --> 00:54:24,489
discussed it within Council so you know

1283
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:26,439
here we have a government that took an

1284
00:54:31,979 --> 00:54:28,209
interest in a UFO case that happened in

1285
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:31,989
Canada in 1996 that is that is amazing I

1286
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:34,630
can't think of any other case where

1287
00:54:40,019 --> 00:54:37,209
someone basically had boots on the

1288
00:54:42,299 --> 00:54:40,029
ground like as they say and actually

1289
00:54:44,969 --> 00:54:42,309
knocking on doors or whatever this guy

1290
00:54:48,989 --> 00:54:44,979
did gas stations corner stores bars as

1291
00:54:52,169 --> 00:54:48,999
you say and actually took on a case like

1292
00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:52,179
that before having a primary witness I

1293
00:54:59,429 --> 00:54:54,670
mean that's a leap of faith right there

1294
00:55:00,749 --> 00:54:59,439
and it sounds very effective and yeah we

1295
00:55:02,249 --> 00:55:00,759
don't all these different you know

1296
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:02,259
people saying the same thing doesn't it

1297
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,170
sound like a rocket booster no but you

1298
00:55:10,109 --> 00:55:07,119
know we it's something that's that's not

1299
00:55:12,509 --> 00:55:10,119
in ufology anymore it used to be in the

1300
00:55:15,329 --> 00:55:12,519
50s and 60s it was actually common

1301
00:55:17,789 --> 00:55:15,339
practice to do that where you know you

1302
00:55:20,939 --> 00:55:17,799
suspected that if a UFO was seen you

1303
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:20,949
know point a over here then somebody

1304
00:55:24,209 --> 00:55:22,689
over there you know probably didn't see

1305
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:24,219
it as well and just a matter of talking

1306
00:55:33,749 --> 00:55:28,390
to people until you found one and in

1307
00:55:36,620 --> 00:55:33,759
Canada in 1975-76 you know I went in off

1308
00:55:38,969 --> 00:55:36,630
into the countryside knocking on doors

1309
00:55:41,309 --> 00:55:38,979
trying to find people who had seen some

1310
00:55:43,439 --> 00:55:41,319
UFOs during a wave that was going on at

1311
00:55:45,150 --> 00:55:43,449
that time so it's it used to be quite

1312
00:55:47,819 --> 00:55:45,160
common you don't hear about it as much

1313
00:55:50,370 --> 00:55:47,829
anymore but it still is a you know a

1314
00:55:53,759 --> 00:55:50,380
really good practice for UFO

1315
00:55:56,579 --> 00:55:53,769
investigators now besides the shag

1316
00:55:59,279 --> 00:55:56,589
harbour are there a number of cases that

1317
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,289
involve the police department in one way

1318
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:02,079
or another other Royal Canadian or the

1319
00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:04,810
Mounties Mounted Police RCMP

1320
00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:06,220
oh yeah the in fact there's there's

1321
00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:08,470
quite a few cases that involve the RCMP

1322
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:11,950
as well as the Royal Canadian Air Force

1323
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:15,970
as well mentioned shag harbour there was

1324
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:23,410
a case in let's tree rivers Manitoba in

1325
00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:27,490
in the 1960s and more recently we've had

1326
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:31,030
reports we're Mounties were witnesses to

1327
00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:34,690
some some cases in the 1970s and into

1328
00:56:42,380 --> 00:56:37,720
the 1980s and we do have copies of those

1329
00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:42,390
reports it's it's also true that in in

1330
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:46,540
1967 if you can believe 1967 the Royal

1331
00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:48,790
Canadian Mounted Police helped

1332
00:56:54,210 --> 00:56:52,270
investigate the first crop circles they

1333
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:54,220
were they didn't start in in Britain

1334
00:56:58,800 --> 00:56:55,900
they actually started elsewhere and

1335
00:57:02,180 --> 00:56:58,810
there are actually photographs of these

1336
00:57:05,070 --> 00:57:02,190
these impressions in the in the fields

1337
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:05,080
that were produced by the RCMP and the

1338
00:57:10,740 --> 00:57:07,510
RCMP crime lab also took a look at it so

1339
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:10,750
you know the Canadian military and

1340
00:57:16,140 --> 00:57:13,690
police have a long history of looking

1341
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:16,150
into this in fact part of what I have in

1342
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,510
my collection are the reports from the

1343
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:21,280
RO Canadian Mounted Police who were

1344
00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:24,730
charged with investigating UFOs up until

1345
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:28,390
about 1995 and so a lot of the cases we

1346
00:57:32,970 --> 00:57:30,970
get are our courtesy of the Royal

1347
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:32,980
Canadian Mounted Police because what

1348
00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:37,570
happened is that the the Canadian what

1349
00:57:41,580 --> 00:57:39,670
was Canadian Space Agency was then

1350
00:57:44,010 --> 00:57:41,590
called the National Research Council

1351
00:57:45,570 --> 00:57:44,020
Hertzberg Institute of astrophysics and

1352
00:57:47,730 --> 00:57:45,580
they were interested in collecting

1353
00:57:49,830 --> 00:57:47,740
meteorites and well you need to have

1354
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:49,840
reports of meteors and shooting stars

1355
00:57:54,690 --> 00:57:51,610
and things falling through the sky in

1356
00:57:56,130 --> 00:57:54,700
order to find meteorites so the

1357
00:57:58,020 --> 00:57:56,140
scientists decided well there's all

1358
00:58:00,780 --> 00:57:58,030
these reports of UFOs that are probably

1359
00:58:02,430 --> 00:58:00,790
meteors let's get the RCMP to talk to

1360
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:02,440
the witnesses and we'll find the

1361
00:58:06,780 --> 00:58:04,570
meteorites that actually did happen it

1362
00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:06,790
did work in a few instances but most of

1363
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,260
the reports they got of course we're not

1364
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:10,480
meteors they were reports of disc-shaped

1365
00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:14,110
objects that were certainly not meteors

1366
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:16,360
and those fell into what was called the

1367
00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:18,850
non meteoric sightings file which was

1368
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:21,910
elected in Ottawa in the Hertzberg

1369
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:24,370
Institute of astrophysics I visited with

1370
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:27,130
the office a number of times and those

1371
00:58:31,410 --> 00:58:28,690
are the reports that made it into the

1372
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:31,420
national Canadian archives so you know

1373
00:58:36,380 --> 00:58:34,210
police have had a good history of being

1374
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:36,390
involved in this well very interesting

1375
00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:39,910
before we get into Falcon the Falcon

1376
00:58:45,450 --> 00:58:42,820
Lake incident there's one other case it

1377
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:45,460
just came to mind with me that there was

1378
00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:49,450
a there was a mounted what do they count

1379
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:51,940
Royal Canadian broken a timah about easy

1380
00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:54,730
oh nice yeah and this was I believe a

1381
00:59:01,440 --> 00:58:59,410
single officer that saw this

1382
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:01,450
cigar-shaped thing at a distance and

1383
00:59:08,610 --> 00:59:06,850
used his binoculars and now he's I think

1384
00:59:10,410 --> 00:59:08,620
he's called like the raccoon whisperer

1385
00:59:11,940 --> 00:59:10,420
he his oh the raccoon was yeah you know

1386
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:11,950
they're rockin it out yeah that was

1387
00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:14,530
clear and Ville and Newfoundland in no

1388
00:59:20,430 --> 00:59:16,390
boy I'm trying to think when that was

1389
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:20,440
now think back in the 60s as well or

1390
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:22,210
maybe 70s anyways yeah he saw this

1391
00:59:29,550 --> 00:59:26,410
object watched it progress over over a

1392
00:59:31,530 --> 00:59:29,560
Newfoundland and was very adamant you

1393
00:59:32,610 --> 00:59:31,540
know this is where you know he says hey

1394
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:32,620
if you don't believe me you don't

1395
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:33,970
believe me but I you know I'll stake my

1396
00:59:41,730 --> 00:59:39,040
badge on the line and he did and he has

1397
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:41,740
since retired and actually has YouTube

1398
00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:45,130
videos now where he is surrounded by

1399
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:47,080
raccoons he has this this thing where

1400
00:59:53,550 --> 00:59:49,930
raccoons it'll want to want to come and

1401
00:59:55,290 --> 00:59:53,560
spend time with him so from from aliens

1402
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:55,300
two raccoons it's not that much of a

1403
01:00:01,410 --> 01:00:00,160
stretch I suppose and I know he went he

1404
01:00:03,060 --> 01:00:01,420
there was a lot of stress in his life

1405
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:03,070
because of that situation or something

1406
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:05,230
remember something about that if I ate a

1407
01:00:10,290 --> 01:00:07,750
lot he took a lot of ribbing from from

1408
01:00:14,070 --> 01:00:10,300
from his colleagues and from the general

1409
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:14,080
public but as I said he insisted if you

1410
01:00:17,310 --> 01:00:15,310
don't believe me you don't believe me

1411
01:00:20,310 --> 01:00:17,320
but this is this is what happened yeah

1412
01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:20,320
yeah and I think it was a cigar-shaped

1413
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:24,790
but very very interesting case as well

1414
01:00:29,970 --> 01:00:27,490
alright so let's get into the Falcon

1415
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:29,980
link and I want to hear all about that

1416
01:00:33,860 --> 01:00:31,890
incident for

1417
01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:33,870
we do have a lot of new listeners a lot

1418
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:35,190
of people are not familiar at all with

1419
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:38,250
it so can you go over that if you would

1420
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:42,480
please sure and you know as an intro to

1421
01:00:46,670 --> 01:00:44,220
this I have to say if you don't know the

1422
01:00:48,590 --> 01:00:46,680
Falcon Lake UFO case you're missing

1423
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:48,600
something because this is a case that

1424
01:00:56,540 --> 01:00:50,970
has everything you would possibly want

1425
01:00:58,010 --> 01:00:56,550
in a UFO case happened a while ago 1967

1426
01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:58,020
as a matter of fact we had we celebrated

1427
01:01:04,220 --> 01:00:59,940
the fiftieth anniversary at the site

1428
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:04,230
with the witness's son and there's been

1429
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:05,940
some commemorative events the Canadian

1430
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:07,890
government recognizes this as a as a

1431
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:11,250
real event wow that's an he's back back

1432
01:01:16,850 --> 01:01:14,910
in May of 1967 fellow named Stefan

1433
01:01:19,610 --> 01:01:16,860
mahalik was doing some amateur rock

1434
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:19,620
poundings and prospecting he was you

1435
01:01:24,110 --> 01:01:21,510
know his background actually is in the

1436
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:24,120
military as a immigrant from Eastern

1437
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:29,310
Europe and in May of 1967 you know had

1438
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:31,290
driven out or sorry I had taken a bus

1439
01:01:36,260 --> 01:01:33,330
out to this little town called Falcon

1440
01:01:37,850 --> 01:01:36,270
Lake which is about an hour north of the

1441
01:01:41,150 --> 01:01:37,860
American border and about an hour east

1442
01:01:43,310 --> 01:01:41,160
of the city of Winnipeg and he traveled

1443
01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:43,320
there because he you know had staked

1444
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:45,180
some claims and he was curious about the

1445
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:48,480
rock formations out there and he entered

1446
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:49,680
the bush about six o'clock in the

1447
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:52,110
morning had packed himself a lunch it's

1448
01:01:58,910 --> 01:01:56,630
very rugged territory very very rocky

1449
01:02:00,530 --> 01:01:58,920
you know very very few people in that

1450
01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:00,540
particular area of the Canadian Great

1451
01:02:05,870 --> 01:02:03,990
Canadian Shield and was poking around

1452
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:05,880
and then around lunchtime literally

1453
01:02:12,790 --> 01:02:08,940
around noon he had stopped for lunch had

1454
01:02:16,430 --> 01:02:12,800
set up his pack on a large rock and

1455
01:02:20,830 --> 01:02:16,440
there was a he was on a ridge and below

1456
01:02:23,660 --> 01:02:20,840
the ridge was a pond which some geese

1457
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:23,670
were we're swimming all of a sudden the

1458
01:02:27,110 --> 01:02:25,650
geese took flight and he was concerned

1459
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:27,120
that there was a bear around because

1460
01:02:32,830 --> 01:02:28,980
that's there are bears around there and

1461
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:32,840
he thought maybe there was one nearby he

1462
01:02:36,860 --> 01:02:35,370
looked around couldn't see any bears but

1463
01:02:41,660 --> 01:02:36,870
in the sky there were two what he

1464
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:41,670
described as cigar shapes that were very

1465
01:02:45,590 --> 01:02:44,400
very bright white in color they seem to

1466
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:45,600
be descending once

1467
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:47,970
fairly high the other one seemed to

1468
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:51,330
descend and land not far from where he

1469
01:02:55,460 --> 01:02:53,370
was he crouched down behind a bush and

1470
01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:55,470
this object which turned out not to be

1471
01:03:00,020 --> 01:02:57,480
cigar shaped at all but a disc shaped a

1472
01:03:01,610 --> 01:03:00,030
hollywood-style flying saucer was

1473
01:03:03,260 --> 01:03:01,620
changing color from white to yellow to

1474
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:03,270
orange to red as it cooled down

1475
01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:05,370
eventually it was the color of burnished

1476
01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:08,520
steel as he described it and it

1477
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:11,700
descended it was 35 feet in diameter 12

1478
01:03:17,930 --> 01:03:14,490
feet high dome on top lights for coming

1479
01:03:22,430 --> 01:03:17,940
from the top and this thing's was

1480
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:22,440
sitting about a 150 yards away he was

1481
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:24,210
watching it for some time and he and

1482
01:03:27,530 --> 01:03:26,220
because of his military background he

1483
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:27,540
was convinced this was some sort of

1484
01:03:33,260 --> 01:03:31,200
physical vehicle a test aircraft of some

1485
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:33,270
sort this was just at the beginning of

1486
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:35,610
the Apollo program and he thought maybe

1487
01:03:39,590 --> 01:03:37,650
this was an a moon lander that that got

1488
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:39,600
off course it was being tested by the

1489
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:44,280
Americans washed for some time suddenly

1490
01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:46,310
a door opened in the side of this thing

1491
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:49,980
a very very small door but through the

1492
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,390
door he could see some bright lights and

1493
01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:53,520
he could hear some very high-pitched

1494
01:03:58,370 --> 01:03:55,710
voices and he was convinced that this

1495
01:04:00,770 --> 01:03:58,380
was an American craft and so he stood up

1496
01:04:01,580 --> 01:04:00,780
walked towards it and shouted you can

1497
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:01,590
just imagine

1498
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:03,930
come on Yankee boys I'll give you a hand

1499
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:05,970
fixing your broken-down flying machine

1500
01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:08,010
because he figured they were stopped for

1501
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:11,640
repairs well as he's walking towards the

1502
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:14,370
voices stopped and he realized oh maybe

1503
01:04:18,020 --> 01:04:17,280
not American so he happened to be

1504
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:18,030
multilingual

1505
01:04:23,060 --> 01:04:19,770
so he called out in other languages

1506
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:23,070
including Russian by this time he was

1507
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:25,380
already touching up to the sight of this

1508
01:04:29,660 --> 01:04:28,050
touch the side of this thing with his

1509
01:04:32,090 --> 01:04:29,670
rubberized love which he had on to

1510
01:04:34,550 --> 01:04:32,100
protect his hands from the sharp rocks

1511
01:04:37,790 --> 01:04:34,560
his rubberized love melted because the

1512
01:04:40,850 --> 01:04:37,800
sight of this thing was too hot the door

1513
01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:40,860
shut the entire thing rotated so that

1514
01:04:46,010 --> 01:04:42,540
there is sort of an exhaust vent right

1515
01:04:48,410 --> 01:04:46,020
in front of him and a blast of hot gas

1516
01:04:50,270 --> 01:04:48,420
came out hit him in the chest knocked

1517
01:04:52,310 --> 01:04:50,280
him down said his clothes on fire set us

1518
01:04:54,290 --> 01:04:52,320
set fire to pine needles and leaves that

1519
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:54,300
were around the thing took off and

1520
01:05:01,089 --> 01:04:58,640
that's the last he saw of it but he

1521
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:01,099
tore off his shirt stamped out the the

1522
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:03,049
shirt as best he could and he was very

1523
01:05:07,390 --> 01:05:05,089
dizzy he was vomiting whatever the

1524
01:05:09,789 --> 01:05:07,400
chemical was in this gas was making him

1525
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:09,799
very very ill he eventually made it back

1526
01:05:14,349 --> 01:05:11,690
to civilization was taken to a hospital

1527
01:05:16,690 --> 01:05:14,359
where he was examined and found to have

1528
01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:16,700
first and second degree burns in

1529
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:20,839
addition on his lower chest he had red

1530
01:05:24,940 --> 01:05:23,089
marks and a pattern and correspondent

1531
01:05:28,660 --> 01:05:24,950
according to him to this exhaust vent

1532
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:28,670
the holes on this exhaust vent and then

1533
01:05:34,690 --> 01:05:32,210
the story came out and the case was

1534
01:05:36,430 --> 01:05:34,700
investigated by the Royal Canadian

1535
01:05:39,130 --> 01:05:36,440
Mounted Police the Royal Canadian Air

1536
01:05:42,099 --> 01:05:39,140
Force it was even part of Blue Book it's

1537
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:42,109
actually in the Condon report and we

1538
01:05:48,370 --> 01:05:46,880
have remarkably all the document to say

1539
01:05:50,650 --> 01:05:48,380
all is probably a few others but we have

1540
01:05:53,710 --> 01:05:50,660
300 pages of documents from these

1541
01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:53,720
various agencies the transcripts of the

1542
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:55,369
interviews that the Royal Canadian

1543
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:58,250
Mounted Police did with him the the

1544
01:06:04,059 --> 01:06:00,559
records that show that they visited with

1545
01:06:07,170 --> 01:06:04,069
the hotel owner of the hotel estate and

1546
01:06:09,549 --> 01:06:07,180
overnight the the housekeeping staff

1547
01:06:11,049 --> 01:06:09,559
they checked with the bar to find out of

1548
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:11,059
whether he was drinking himself silly

1549
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:12,609
the night before

1550
01:06:18,329 --> 01:06:16,329
there's documents between members of

1551
01:06:20,349 --> 01:06:18,339
Parliament's and the Canadian

1552
01:06:23,769 --> 01:06:20,359
politicians talking about this because

1553
01:06:26,650 --> 01:06:23,779
it was quite a big thing and then we

1554
01:06:28,299 --> 01:06:26,660
have the opportunity of speaking all

1555
01:06:31,329 --> 01:06:28,309
right and when I opened the case again

1556
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:31,339
in the 1980s I knew the family because

1557
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:33,680
it turns out that the witnesses son

1558
01:06:39,819 --> 01:06:36,250
lived literally two blocks away from me

1559
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:39,829
and I used to hang out with them and and

1560
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:41,450
write bicycles when I was a kid and

1561
01:06:46,269 --> 01:06:43,690
things like that and so after my

1562
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,279
investigation this is Manitoba I thought

1563
01:06:50,349 --> 01:06:48,079
well I want to know more about this case

1564
01:06:52,930 --> 01:06:50,359
ended up talking with the family who had

1565
01:06:57,099 --> 01:06:52,940
actually turned away media because they

1566
01:06:59,259 --> 01:06:57,109
were sick and tired of being made fun of

1567
01:07:02,140 --> 01:06:59,269
and the people always showing up and not

1568
01:07:05,259 --> 01:07:02,150
really telling the story properly so a

1569
01:07:07,450 --> 01:07:05,269
few years ago the witnesses son and

1570
01:07:09,789 --> 01:07:07,460
myself wrote a book called were titled

1571
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:09,799
when they appeared giving the story of

1572
01:07:12,460 --> 01:07:12,170
not only the witnesses words because

1573
01:07:14,859 --> 01:07:12,470
there

1574
01:07:17,170 --> 01:07:14,869
a pamphlet which was produced describing

1575
01:07:20,109 --> 01:07:17,180
what happened in his words but also from

1576
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:20,119
the sons words my investigation and then

1577
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:22,130
the later fallout plus the human talks

1578
01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:24,650
and photographs now I'm not done yet

1579
01:07:29,530 --> 01:07:27,260
there was actually radioactive material

1580
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:29,540
found at the site by the Royal Canadian

1581
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:32,810
Air Force and the RCMP they had actually

1582
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:35,119
considered closing off the area to the

1583
01:07:41,380 --> 01:07:37,369
public because of a perceived danger and

1584
01:07:43,780 --> 01:07:41,390
then a year later radioactive material

1585
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:43,790
was found in the crack in a rock over

1586
01:07:49,210 --> 01:07:47,240
which this object had hovered that

1587
01:07:52,839 --> 01:07:49,220
material was found to be almost pure

1588
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:52,849
silver that was radioactive and it was

1589
01:07:58,420 --> 01:07:56,720
tested by a number of Institute's the

1590
01:08:00,970 --> 01:07:58,430
University of Chicago University of

1591
01:08:03,130 --> 01:08:00,980
Illinois as well University of Arizona

1592
01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:03,140
the lorenz ins had it from a for a pro

1593
01:08:09,390 --> 01:08:06,670
for a while it's been tested by the

1594
01:08:13,570 --> 01:08:09,400
Royal Canadian Mounted Police themselves

1595
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:13,580
and very recently we have we still have

1596
01:08:19,450 --> 01:08:16,130
one of these pieces which we tested at a

1597
01:08:24,030 --> 01:08:19,460
materials Institute to verify that this

1598
01:08:26,440 --> 01:08:24,040
was in fact of pure silver so we have

1599
01:08:28,780 --> 01:08:26,450
you know testimony from the witness who

1600
01:08:30,910 --> 01:08:28,790
only passed away just before the turn of

1601
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:30,920
the millennium so I spoke with them at

1602
01:08:36,610 --> 01:08:34,400
length the witnesses family we have the

1603
01:08:40,510 --> 01:08:36,620
documents from the official

1604
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:40,520
investigators we have the Condon's notes

1605
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:44,690
actually not Condon himself at one of

1606
01:08:49,450 --> 01:08:46,850
his investigators notes on the on the

1607
01:08:52,180 --> 01:08:49,460
case Michael swords notes on the case

1608
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:52,190
plus we have the physical evidence we

1609
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:54,650
have the medical records he actually

1610
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,440
went down to the Mayo Clinic to be

1611
01:09:02,289 --> 01:08:59,440
tested down there not only

1612
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:02,299
physiologically but psychologically in

1613
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:04,250
fact we have the evaluation by the Mayo

1614
01:09:08,650 --> 01:09:06,290
Clinic psychiatrist who said this is not

1615
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:08,660
somebody who makes up stories can you

1616
01:09:15,070 --> 01:09:11,330
think of any other case that has all

1617
01:09:16,900 --> 01:09:15,080
this evidence probably not even Roswell

1618
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:16,910
Wow amazing

1619
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:20,170
now last time I talked about this

1620
01:09:26,249 --> 01:09:24,080
incident on the show someone wrote me

1621
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:26,259
and said oh you don't know that

1622
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:28,710
that was a hoax has there been like a

1623
01:09:36,269 --> 01:09:32,049
rumor that's going around there and and

1624
01:09:37,799 --> 01:09:36,279
if so what is there you know what's her

1625
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:37,809
standby of what they're considering a

1626
01:09:43,709 --> 01:09:41,440
hoax quite interesting because the RO

1627
01:09:45,930 --> 01:09:43,719
Canadian Mounted Police and the Royal

1628
01:09:48,269 --> 01:09:45,940
Canadian Air Force both issued reports

1629
01:09:52,829 --> 01:09:48,279
that unequivocally stated that they

1630
01:09:55,950 --> 01:09:52,839
label this case unexplained and you

1631
01:09:57,419 --> 01:09:55,960
don't get that too often and the only

1632
01:09:58,830 --> 01:09:57,429
other possible explanation I mean

1633
01:10:00,600 --> 01:09:58,840
there's two possible explanations either

1634
01:10:03,629 --> 01:10:00,610
it happened as he said or it's

1635
01:10:06,540 --> 01:10:03,639
completely made-up but I guess you have

1636
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:06,550
to figure out if he made it up

1637
01:10:12,299 --> 01:10:10,090
how would you manufacture some of this

1638
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:12,309
material getting the radiation at the

1639
01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:13,449
site

1640
01:10:18,049 --> 01:10:15,400
this was actually melted silver that was

1641
01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:18,059
found in a rock in a crack in the rock

1642
01:10:26,279 --> 01:10:21,480
and you can actually get to the site now

1643
01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:26,289
in fact you have to take a horseback

1644
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:29,230
ride to get there because you could walk

1645
01:10:33,660 --> 01:10:30,730
in but it would take you quite some time

1646
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:33,670
across swamps but the best way in right

1647
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:36,489
now is through a 45 to an hour horseback

1648
01:10:41,580 --> 01:10:39,130
ride over some pretty rugged territory

1649
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:41,590
not for these not for the amateur

1650
01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:45,550
horseback rider by the way and so you

1651
01:10:49,950 --> 01:10:47,260
know to manufacture this and then you

1652
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:49,960
have to consider the fact that the RCMP

1653
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:51,730
and RCF took the matter very seriously

1654
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:55,690
and didn't charge him with mischief the

1655
01:11:01,169 --> 01:10:57,730
story was very very consistent he did

1656
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:01,179
not change his story you know all the

1657
01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:04,090
years that followed I know that some

1658
01:11:08,669 --> 01:11:06,369
hardcore debunkers and skeptics you know

1659
01:11:13,290 --> 01:11:08,679
just dismiss it out of hand because why

1660
01:11:15,390 --> 01:11:13,300
I mean why not but but you know there's

1661
01:11:18,330 --> 01:11:15,400
a lot of evidence here in this

1662
01:11:20,459 --> 01:11:18,340
particular case and a lot of the things

1663
01:11:23,609 --> 01:11:20,469
that were said about him were simply

1664
01:11:26,490 --> 01:11:23,619
untrue for example the bartender at the

1665
01:11:29,819 --> 01:11:26,500
hotel told the row Canadian Air Force

1666
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:29,829
that the the witness had you know but

1667
01:11:34,589 --> 01:11:32,260
many many drinks when he showed up at

1668
01:11:36,990 --> 01:11:34,599
8:30 in the evening and he drank until

1669
01:11:38,819 --> 01:11:37,000
closing time or something like that well

1670
01:11:40,050 --> 01:11:38,829
it turns out that that's completely

1671
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:40,060
impossible

1672
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:42,850
because the bus that brought him to that

1673
01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:44,770
town to the where the hotel was didn't

1674
01:11:50,730 --> 01:11:49,270
get in till 9:30 and the house cleaning

1675
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:50,740
staff said well there no there weren't

1676
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:53,530
any bottles in his room and you know

1677
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:55,650
there simply wasn't any way that he was

1678
01:12:01,140 --> 01:11:58,330
drunk and I guess the other thing is if

1679
01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:01,150
he you know really was drunk many people

1680
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:02,950
saw him leave the hotel many people saw

1681
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:05,770
him coming and going you know the story

1682
01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:07,870
itself doesn't make any sense and being

1683
01:12:12,270 --> 01:12:10,630
drunk alone wouldn't allow you know some

1684
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:12,280
of this evidence to be procured and make

1685
01:12:17,730 --> 01:12:14,110
up such an incredible story it you know

1686
01:12:20,940 --> 01:12:17,740
it's that that itself doesn't you know

1687
01:12:24,570 --> 01:12:20,950
explain anything it's a very fascinating

1688
01:12:28,020 --> 01:12:24,580
case and you know in the book and and

1689
01:12:31,890 --> 01:12:28,030
even the the witness himself never

1690
01:12:33,630 --> 01:12:31,900
talked in terms of aliens he he never

1691
01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:33,640
talked in terms of little green guys he

1692
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:36,040
thought it was a physical now space

1693
01:12:42,450 --> 01:12:38,230
landing craft produced by Americans or

1694
01:12:44,910 --> 01:12:42,460
Russians or something and in our book we

1695
01:12:47,130 --> 01:12:44,920
you know we were simply state we leave

1696
01:12:49,650 --> 01:12:47,140
this case open and you know simply

1697
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:49,660
dismissing it as a hoax is insufficient

1698
01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:51,370
but we also don't have any proof that

1699
01:12:55,980 --> 01:12:53,680
this was actually a you know an alien

1700
01:12:58,500 --> 01:12:55,990
spacecraft it's a fascinating case a

1701
01:13:00,180 --> 01:12:58,510
fascinating case study and one of the

1702
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:00,190
reasons we told the story in this forum

1703
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:02,410
was to to get the information out and

1704
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,920
all of this material

1705
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:07,360
you know the documents the government

1706
01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:10,210
documents the from the RCMP and the RCAF

1707
01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:12,790
plus our own investigation files plus

1708
01:13:18,570 --> 01:13:15,940
letters on file from UFO investigators

1709
01:13:18,900 --> 01:13:18,580
themselves the doctors reports and so

1710
01:13:22,890 --> 01:13:18,910
forth

1711
01:13:24,930 --> 01:13:22,900
we I've turned that over already to the

1712
01:13:27,180 --> 01:13:24,940
University of Manitoba archives and it's

1713
01:13:30,150 --> 01:13:27,190
in the process of digitizing that as

1714
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:30,160
well so that that'll be available for

1715
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:32,130
researchers to take a look at as well so

1716
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:36,730
I don't know it's it's it's a great case

1717
01:13:41,940 --> 01:13:39,250
and has all the elements you want in a

1718
01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:41,950
UFO case but if that's not enough hey

1719
01:13:46,980 --> 01:13:44,830
that's that's fine right now I'm putting

1720
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:46,990
up on YouTube for those people over

1721
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:49,690
there you can see the the grid marks

1722
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:52,650
that this whatever it was

1723
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:57,090
it looks very very painful and and what

1724
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:00,480
type of health issues did he have

1725
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:04,080
because of this did he have well well he

1726
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:06,800
did is in fact he was very very nauseous

1727
01:14:13,340 --> 01:14:09,810
lost a lot of weight couldn't hold food

1728
01:14:15,860 --> 01:14:13,350
down his son said that there was this

1729
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:15,870
odor in his bedroom because he

1730
01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:16,890
eventually was released from the

1731
01:14:21,460 --> 01:14:19,830
hospital and he was sent home there was

1732
01:14:25,610 --> 01:14:21,470
this odor that he said it was like

1733
01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:25,620
rotten eggs sulfur that was emanating

1734
01:14:35,090 --> 01:14:29,880
from his body itself he was given blood

1735
01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:35,100
tests there were you know there's no

1736
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:36,780
question that he had these marks in fact

1737
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:39,090
he at this grid mark thing he described

1738
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:41,130
as his buttons because they they they

1739
01:14:45,490 --> 01:14:42,450
healed but you could actually feel the

1740
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:45,500
scar tissue under his chest and stomach

1741
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:49,710
right just under the skin he had a

1742
01:14:53,420 --> 01:14:51,450
series of fainting spells

1743
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:53,430
in fact the Mayo Clinic suggests that

1744
01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:56,640
there was some sort of toxin that was in

1745
01:15:02,000 --> 01:14:59,100
his system that needed to eventually

1746
01:15:04,750 --> 01:15:02,010
work its way out and you know over the

1747
01:15:07,970 --> 01:15:04,760
course of many years he had relapses

1748
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:07,980
allergic reaction his body swelled up

1749
01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:10,530
passed out and so forth he was an

1750
01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:12,360
otherwise healthy man and had never been

1751
01:15:17,780 --> 01:15:16,230
sick a day in his life and by the people

1752
01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:17,790
that interviewed him and talked to him

1753
01:15:22,850 --> 01:15:20,760
you know after this happened what was

1754
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:22,860
his you said that he never thought it

1755
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:24,690
was never mentioned alien or whatever

1756
01:15:30,110 --> 01:15:28,320
but did he go his entire life you know

1757
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:30,120
trying to figure out what this thing was

1758
01:15:35,780 --> 01:15:32,610
or did he just try to move on from that

1759
01:15:40,610 --> 01:15:35,790
do you know no he did in fact try to

1760
01:15:45,670 --> 01:15:40,620
move on he you know gue drastically cut

1761
01:15:48,050 --> 01:15:45,680
down on his his time going into the bush

1762
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:48,060
he again you know like so many people

1763
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:49,530
said him you know if people don't

1764
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:50,850
believe me they don't believe me but

1765
01:15:54,500 --> 01:15:53,370
this is this is what happened to me in

1766
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:54,510
fact it took a great deal of

1767
01:16:01,370 --> 01:15:59,280
arm-twisting to convince him and his

1768
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:01,380
wife and his son to go on unsolved

1769
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:04,560
mysteries NBC flew myself and them down

1770
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,330
to their set to do the

1771
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:09,120
recreation for unsolved mysteries the

1772
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:12,450
original version with with Robert Stack

1773
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:15,600
oh yeah and I think it was redone and

1774
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:19,590
re-edited there and they really didn't

1775
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:22,860
do very many more interviews after that

1776
01:16:27,980 --> 01:16:24,330
I know it was done on a and E's

1777
01:16:30,110 --> 01:16:27,990
unexplained and a few others and with

1778
01:16:32,180 --> 01:16:30,120
which we participated and but they

1779
01:16:33,980 --> 01:16:32,190
really really pulled back and didn't

1780
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:33,990
want to talk about things very much

1781
01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:39,090
after that because in our book the the

1782
01:16:42,970 --> 01:16:41,100
witness's son described how he was

1783
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:42,980
bullied at school you know your dad's

1784
01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:45,420
alien ship you know that sort of stuff

1785
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:48,510
and he was treated very very badly the

1786
01:16:54,020 --> 01:16:51,330
family you know had a lot more to lose

1787
01:16:58,210 --> 01:16:54,030
than gain from telling the story it did

1788
01:17:03,290 --> 01:16:58,220
not gain any any money financially and

1789
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:03,300
you know it it was truly truly an

1790
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:07,290
amazing experience to and it to to you

1791
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:10,320
know to to read and what the son wrote

1792
01:17:14,780 --> 01:17:11,850
in our book and to hear him talk about

1793
01:17:16,460 --> 01:17:14,790
it himself in fact there's a very

1794
01:17:18,890 --> 01:17:16,470
powerful moment and I think I have it on

1795
01:17:21,230 --> 01:17:18,900
one of my youtube channels where the son

1796
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:21,240
had never gone out to the site in all

1797
01:17:30,170 --> 01:17:24,290
the fifty years since this happened and

1798
01:17:32,300 --> 01:17:30,180
he went out with us by horseback for the

1799
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:32,310
fiftieth anniversary and one of the

1800
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:34,290
things he had was a copy of a map that

1801
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:36,330
his father had drawn of the lay of the

1802
01:17:42,590 --> 01:17:40,800
land where this thing happened and he

1803
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:42,600
had that copy of the map with him when

1804
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:44,760
we went to the site and when we were

1805
01:17:47,470 --> 01:17:46,770
standing at the location where this

1806
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:47,480
happened

1807
01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:50,690
he was almost brought to tears because

1808
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:54,360
the map correspondent completely with

1809
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:56,730
what his father said it looked like at

1810
01:18:01,880 --> 01:17:59,280
that time and he just he looked under

1811
01:18:04,370 --> 01:18:01,890
the camera he said he was telling the

1812
01:18:06,380 --> 01:18:04,380
truth this actually happened and it

1813
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:06,390
happened right here Wow

1814
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:10,110
it's a very very profound yeah yeah now

1815
01:18:14,150 --> 01:18:12,930
you mentioned that this thing rotated

1816
01:18:16,940 --> 01:18:14,160
and it was probably almost like an

1817
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:16,950
exhaust was there any type of like loud

1818
01:18:25,310 --> 01:18:20,010
noise or do you talk about that

1819
01:18:27,589 --> 01:18:25,320
at all there was a rush of wind yeah no

1820
01:18:29,629 --> 01:18:27,599
no rocket exhaust or anything like that

1821
01:18:32,060 --> 01:18:29,639
in fact he had heard while this thing

1822
01:18:34,549 --> 01:18:32,070
was landed he described the sound as if

1823
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:34,559
a bellows was expelling and bringing in

1824
01:18:39,319 --> 01:18:38,010
air while it was on the ground so those

1825
01:18:40,580 --> 01:18:39,329
are the types of things and he said

1826
01:18:42,919 --> 01:18:40,590
there's a smell like a burning

1827
01:18:45,109 --> 01:18:42,929
electrical motor all these little tiny

1828
01:18:50,029 --> 01:18:45,119
details that that add up to a really

1829
01:18:51,919 --> 01:18:50,039
profound experience and a detail it with

1830
01:18:54,169 --> 01:18:51,929
some details that you know really add up

1831
01:18:55,370 --> 01:18:54,179
to something a suggester really was

1832
01:18:57,589 --> 01:18:55,380
something physical there

1833
01:18:59,660 --> 01:18:57,599
now what about landing gear or

1834
01:19:01,970 --> 01:18:59,670
impressions or anything like that was

1835
01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:01,980
there anything that ever discussed he

1836
01:19:05,569 --> 01:19:04,289
actually never saw any in fact there's

1837
01:19:07,939 --> 01:19:05,579
some discussion about whether it was

1838
01:19:12,319 --> 01:19:07,949
actually landed or just hovering above

1839
01:19:17,419 --> 01:19:12,329
where this took place was on a pretty

1840
01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:17,429
solid rock rock face and so you know

1841
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:19,800
there wouldn't be anything any any

1842
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:22,170
landing pad that could have made a dent

1843
01:19:27,109 --> 01:19:25,260
or anything like that right did he after

1844
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,119
this incident happened did he still

1845
01:19:31,729 --> 01:19:29,760
prospect like he was doing at that case

1846
01:19:33,919 --> 01:19:31,739
or was this something that not as much

1847
01:19:36,859 --> 01:19:33,929
not as much in fact his wife told him

1848
01:19:39,020 --> 01:19:36,869
you're done basically you're good yeah

1849
01:19:43,129 --> 01:19:39,030
yeah especially with the health reasons

1850
01:19:45,529 --> 01:19:43,139
that's especially and I'm sorry you may

1851
01:19:48,009 --> 01:19:45,539
have already mentioned this but was

1852
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:48,019
there any radioactivity

1853
01:19:54,379 --> 01:19:50,489
well there was radioactivity found at

1854
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:54,389
the site by the RCAF and an RCMP and

1855
01:20:00,770 --> 01:19:57,360
then a year later the this these

1856
01:20:04,009 --> 01:20:00,780
radioactive metal pieces were found at

1857
01:20:06,169 --> 01:20:04,019
the site the radioactivity that was

1858
01:20:09,919 --> 01:20:06,179
found originally may have been due to

1859
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:09,929
radon may have been due to some natural

1860
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:11,610
uranium pitchblende that's one

1861
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,050
possibility but there was a definitely

1862
01:20:19,729 --> 01:20:17,280
radioactivity above normal background

1863
01:20:22,069 --> 01:20:19,739
that was found at the site and then but

1864
01:20:26,569 --> 01:20:22,079
the radioactivity that was found on this

1865
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:26,579
silver was definitely anomalous and you

1866
01:20:32,270 --> 01:20:28,110
know that's a that's still a matter of

1867
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:32,280
debate would you consider this case you

1868
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:33,900
said it has basically all the

1869
01:20:39,979 --> 01:20:36,810
and whistles is this like Canada's

1870
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:39,989
Roswell in a way I think it's definitely

1871
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:42,810
Canada's Roswell but I would say better

1872
01:20:45,740 --> 01:20:44,250
than Roswell because the United States

1873
01:20:47,419 --> 01:20:45,750
government doesn't acknowledge that

1874
01:20:50,180 --> 01:20:47,429
Roswell happen whereas the Canadian

1875
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:50,190
government you know does we know where

1876
01:20:55,390 --> 01:20:52,650
this happened to us to a precise

1877
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,400
location we GPS marked it very recently

1878
01:21:01,280 --> 01:20:57,840
we actually have the physical evidence

1879
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:01,290
in our hands in fact I could reach over

1880
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:03,330
and touch one of them right now okay

1881
01:21:09,140 --> 01:21:06,810
something in front of the camera I can

1882
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:09,150
move away for a second is that okay fine

1883
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:12,210
sure yeah okay yeah you know vamp just a

1884
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:16,320
second here yeah he has no problem so my

1885
01:21:20,860 --> 01:21:19,170
guest Chris rutkowski he is a tough to

1886
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:20,870
get some evidence we're gonna see this

1887
01:21:27,020 --> 01:21:24,090
actually on YouTube so if you're

1888
01:21:29,260 --> 01:21:27,030
listening to this as a podcast I can't

1889
01:21:32,419 --> 01:21:29,270
tell you exactly how many many minutes a

1890
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:32,429
good job vamping okay so I have it I

1891
01:21:39,229 --> 01:21:37,010
have the this here and it's in a glass

1892
01:21:41,959 --> 01:21:39,239
case because it is still slightly

1893
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:41,969
radioactive I'm just taking it out right

1894
01:21:55,820 --> 01:21:47,850
now know what and it's double lined I'm

1895
01:21:59,240 --> 01:21:55,830
just taking it out and here we go oh I

1896
01:22:02,209 --> 01:21:59,250
think I saw this online this is how the

1897
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:02,219
sunlight yeah this is radioactive it's

1898
01:22:10,430 --> 01:22:05,610
almost pure silver it's actually quite

1899
01:22:15,140 --> 01:22:10,440
heavy and it's been tested by a number

1900
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:15,150
of laboratories and it's definitely the

1901
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,730
subject pure silver yeah subject to a

1902
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:19,920
lot of heat you can definitely tell that

1903
01:22:24,189 --> 01:22:22,050
we've had it we put it on electron

1904
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:24,199
microscope last year as a matter of fact

1905
01:22:27,620 --> 01:22:25,440
Wow

1906
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:27,630
so there's nothing anomalous about it is

1907
01:22:33,169 --> 01:22:30,480
it is just the element of silver

1908
01:22:34,910 --> 01:22:33,179
basically yes in fact it's very well

1909
01:22:39,169 --> 01:22:34,920
that's what sonam anomalous actually

1910
01:22:40,700 --> 01:22:39,179
it's almost pure silver yeah and that in

1911
01:22:42,979 --> 01:22:40,710
itself is it is a little bit strange

1912
01:22:46,399 --> 01:22:42,989
unless it comes directly from the centre

1913
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:46,409
of a vein you know well no this this is

1914
01:22:49,190 --> 01:22:47,280
more commercial

1915
01:22:51,260 --> 01:22:49,200
silver it's actually very very pure

1916
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,270
silver veins would be all that mean

1917
01:22:56,570 --> 01:22:53,520
either percent you know I think so he

1918
01:22:57,230 --> 01:22:56,580
was you know anywhere from you know nine

1919
01:22:59,060 --> 01:22:57,240
point two

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01:23:02,510 --> 01:22:59,070
I mean ninety two point five percent of

1921
01:23:04,430 --> 01:23:02,520
sterling silver is higher than that this

1922
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:04,440
yeah this is a you know the lab reports

1923
01:23:09,950 --> 01:23:06,570
verify that this is this is definitely a

1924
01:23:11,660 --> 01:23:09,960
high quality silver amazing and it was

1925
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:11,670
just sit was basically just sitting

1926
01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:13,530
there on that location

1927
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:15,300
well that city was if they have to dig

1928
01:23:21,290 --> 01:23:18,420
it out they had to dig it and I guess

1929
01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:21,300
you know there's you know if you assume

1930
01:23:27,050 --> 01:23:23,880
I want to believe that this was left

1931
01:23:30,170 --> 01:23:27,060
behind by a saucer of some sort you have

1932
01:23:33,170 --> 01:23:30,180
to wonder you know what what saucers

1933
01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:33,180
drip silver or something I mean it that

1934
01:23:38,570 --> 01:23:35,340
in itself doesn't make any sense

1935
01:23:41,450 --> 01:23:38,580
in fact the what's fascinating about

1936
01:23:45,530 --> 01:23:41,460
this case it really it makes you have

1937
01:23:47,480 --> 01:23:45,540
more questions than answers yeah and as

1938
01:23:50,330 --> 01:23:47,490
I say it's more of a case study of a

1939
01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:50,340
case and for me that's that's part of

1940
01:23:55,010 --> 01:23:52,020
the the the challenge to try and

1941
01:23:59,890 --> 01:23:55,020
understand what really happened yes yeah

1942
01:24:02,120 --> 01:23:59,900
so really amazing now there was another

1943
01:24:04,670 --> 01:24:02,130
you talking about the government

1944
01:24:07,820 --> 01:24:04,680
actually you know admitting that you

1945
01:24:10,970 --> 01:24:07,830
have a saucer they did also in shag

1946
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,980
harbour am I getting that right yeah

1947
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:12,480
there are government documents regarding

1948
01:24:16,850 --> 01:24:14,970
shag harbour I think there's only five

1949
01:24:18,770 --> 01:24:16,860
or something like that whereas with

1950
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:18,780
Falcon Lake we have three or four

1951
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:21,120
hundred something like that but the five

1952
01:24:25,190 --> 01:24:23,040
really are quite interesting they show

1953
01:24:26,780 --> 01:24:25,200
that there's something really did happen

1954
01:24:29,450 --> 01:24:26,790
there was some discussion at a high

1955
01:24:31,250 --> 01:24:29,460
level and the Canadian Navy was

1956
01:24:33,550 --> 01:24:31,260
encouraged to go in and try and recover

1957
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:33,560
whatever it was that was under the water

1958
01:24:41,180 --> 01:24:37,530
and though there are many many

1959
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:41,190
fascinating reports like that and I'm

1960
01:24:46,670 --> 01:24:43,890
asthmatic one of my next projects is

1961
01:24:48,650 --> 01:24:46,680
going and do some forensic ufology if

1962
01:24:51,740 --> 01:24:48,660
you can believe that trying to go back

1963
01:24:54,140 --> 01:24:51,750
and look at some cold cases and the

1964
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:54,150
government records themselves excellent

1965
01:24:58,910 --> 01:24:56,610
well we are open for calls if anyone

1966
01:25:01,130 --> 01:24:58,920
would like to call in and that phone

1967
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:01,140
number if you're over at kgr

1968
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:03,930
a radio that phone number is eight five

1969
01:25:09,290 --> 01:25:07,290
five four seven two five four eight

1970
01:25:12,260 --> 01:25:09,300
three that numbers up on the screen if

1971
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:12,270
you're on YouTube so we do have a call

1972
01:25:17,570 --> 01:25:15,330
screener race will be standing by so

1973
01:25:22,010 --> 01:25:17,580
you're welcome to call in the line is

1974
01:25:26,180 --> 01:25:22,020
open this is uh this is really a great

1975
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:26,190
talk I'm you know it's one of it's it's

1976
01:25:31,670 --> 01:25:28,290
it's been a really really fun show for

1977
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:31,680
me so far and let's talk about some of

1978
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:35,040
the other incidents that you find have a

1979
01:25:40,660 --> 01:25:36,900
lot of merit because from what I

1980
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:40,670
understand tell me if I'm wrong but I

1981
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:43,290
have heard over the years that you were

1982
01:25:48,260 --> 01:25:45,930
very very cautious and you're a good

1983
01:25:51,470 --> 01:25:48,270
skeptic you're not a debunker you're a

1984
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:51,480
skeptic and and and you really like to

1985
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:53,600
present you know things that are solid

1986
01:26:01,100 --> 01:25:56,690
if you're going to get involved at all

1987
01:26:02,420 --> 01:26:01,110
well yeah in fact hardcore believers are

1988
01:26:04,580 --> 01:26:02,430
convinced that I'm a skeptic and a

1989
01:26:07,940 --> 01:26:04,590
debunk er whereas debunkers and they're

1990
01:26:09,620 --> 01:26:07,950
the real skeptics I mean like Schaffer

1991
01:26:12,050 --> 01:26:09,630
and Phil play Phil play is nothing good

1992
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:12,060
to say about me let me just say that I'm

1993
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:13,650
too much of a believer

1994
01:26:17,870 --> 01:26:16,290
so I'm sitting on the fence and you know

1995
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:17,880
those pointy picket fences are really

1996
01:26:23,660 --> 01:26:20,370
tough to sit on they're they're really

1997
01:26:25,490 --> 01:26:23,670
painful but I mean I I I have the you

1998
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:25,500
know astronomy background so I know the

1999
01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:28,080
likelihood of star stellar evolution in

2000
01:26:33,650 --> 01:26:32,310
other planets and life elsewhere I have

2001
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:33,660
a good knowledge of what's in the sky

2002
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:35,850
and most of the reports that I get of

2003
01:26:39,650 --> 01:26:37,890
Venus these days I can just say that the

2004
01:26:41,540 --> 01:26:39,660
people you're watching Venus I know it's

2005
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:41,550
very bright right now but that that's

2006
01:26:50,780 --> 01:26:47,210
but at the same time you know I I like

2007
01:26:53,180 --> 01:26:50,790
to say that don't believe the believers

2008
01:26:56,150 --> 01:26:53,190
necessarily but be skeptical of skeptics

2009
01:27:02,450 --> 01:26:56,160
and the other thing I often say in my

2010
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:02,460
lectures is that you know if the UFO

2011
01:27:11,210 --> 01:27:07,050
phenomenon is is has a physical

2012
01:27:15,049 --> 01:27:11,220
component or perhaps a psychological or

2013
01:27:17,180 --> 01:27:15,059
a sociological component in any of those

2014
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:17,190
categories it's worth a study and

2015
01:27:23,839 --> 01:27:20,159
investigation and you know there are so

2016
01:27:27,020 --> 01:27:23,849
many masters theses and PhD theses being

2017
01:27:28,850 --> 01:27:27,030
done on UFOs right now I mean over the

2018
01:27:30,740 --> 01:27:28,860
years there's been hundreds and hundreds

2019
01:27:33,589 --> 01:27:30,750
and hundreds and you know just over the

2020
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:33,599
past I don't know six months I've had a

2021
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:36,719
half-dozen doctoral and master's thesis

2022
01:27:42,589 --> 01:27:39,650
students from all across North America

2023
01:27:45,260 --> 01:27:42,599
you know asking for help in doing some

2024
01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:45,270
of the research into the their UFO

2025
01:27:50,660 --> 01:27:47,340
topics so there's serious scientific

2026
01:27:52,399 --> 01:27:50,670
research that's being done out there but

2027
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:52,409
at the same time we're bombarded all the

2028
01:28:02,209 --> 01:27:57,090
time with with pop ufology you know of

2029
01:28:05,089 --> 01:28:02,219
you know mysterious drones and videos

2030
01:28:07,129 --> 01:28:05,099
that appear on youtube with some release

2031
01:28:09,700 --> 01:28:07,139
you know doubtful

2032
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:09,710
dubious providence and things like that

2033
01:28:13,339 --> 01:28:11,730
plus a lot of things that are being

2034
01:28:15,890 --> 01:28:13,349
talked about at conferences now about

2035
01:28:17,779 --> 01:28:15,900
you know how aliens fly used to use

2036
01:28:20,419 --> 01:28:17,789
consciousness and ESP to pilot their

2037
01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:20,429
airplanes and you know we've got 76

2038
01:28:23,899 --> 01:28:22,260
varieties of aliens from this planet in

2039
01:28:25,580 --> 01:28:23,909
this planet the summer reptilian and

2040
01:28:27,470 --> 01:28:25,590
some are at second oh and whatever yeah

2041
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:27,480
the reality is we don't know we simply

2042
01:28:32,529 --> 01:28:29,010
don't have good information on that

2043
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:32,539
that's sheer speculation which is fun

2044
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:35,489
but at the same time is there some meat

2045
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:36,960
down there because one of the things i

2046
01:28:41,149 --> 01:28:38,489
do is i liaise with a scientific

2047
01:28:43,850 --> 01:28:41,159
community in order to talk about ufos

2048
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:43,860
with with scientists and you'd be

2049
01:28:48,500 --> 01:28:46,289
surprised how how many are willing to

2050
01:28:50,419 --> 01:28:48,510
talk as long as you don't wear tinfoil

2051
01:28:53,740 --> 01:28:50,429
hats and the pyramids on your heads yeah

2052
01:28:57,169 --> 01:28:53,750
or or put their name and print maybe

2053
01:29:02,950 --> 01:28:57,179
well some of them are are okay with that

2054
01:29:08,330 --> 01:29:02,960
now back in 2013 the kepler

2055
01:29:11,899 --> 01:29:08,340
basically as far as the earth-like

2056
01:29:14,209 --> 01:29:11,909
possibilities of planets within just our

2057
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,219
Milky Way could be as high as 40 billion

2058
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:16,800
I like to ask up people that know a

2059
01:29:21,799 --> 01:29:19,170
little bit about astronomy that have a

2060
01:29:24,410 --> 01:29:21,809
interest in this topic this question

2061
01:29:28,779 --> 01:29:24,420
just to hear what you would say about it

2062
01:29:31,180 --> 01:29:28,789
and that is why would we be so special

2063
01:29:33,939 --> 01:29:31,190
if there is a possibility of that many

2064
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:33,949
earth-like planets with life just say

2065
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:36,320
intelligent life if there's a fraction

2066
01:29:41,620 --> 01:29:37,730
of them that could have intelligent life

2067
01:29:43,810 --> 01:29:41,630
on it that's still billions and so why

2068
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:43,820
would we be so popular that we'd be

2069
01:29:49,779 --> 01:29:46,489
visited especially as much as we're

2070
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:49,789
being visited just your opinion well you

2071
01:29:53,620 --> 01:29:51,199
know the Drake Equation which which

2072
01:29:56,290 --> 01:29:53,630
calculates a some upper and lower bounds

2073
01:30:00,250 --> 01:29:56,300
for for the number of habitable planets

2074
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:00,260
with with intelligent life it's really

2075
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:03,650
an approximation and you know it's true

2076
01:30:07,390 --> 01:30:05,360
there will be you know given the size of

2077
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:07,400
the galaxy there will be you know many

2078
01:30:12,250 --> 01:30:09,679
many planets out there that are like in

2079
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:12,260
the supporting life and possibly have

2080
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:14,719
intelligent life but not all that many

2081
01:30:17,589 --> 01:30:16,010
and the other problem is that the

2082
01:30:20,140 --> 01:30:17,599
distance between them is going to be

2083
01:30:23,709 --> 01:30:20,150
very very very large I mean even the

2084
01:30:25,779 --> 01:30:23,719
nearest star

2085
01:30:28,180 --> 01:30:25,789
you know Proximus ensure I is you know

2086
01:30:32,169 --> 01:30:28,190
three and a half light-years away and

2087
01:30:34,270 --> 01:30:32,179
it's closest and so you know that that's

2088
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:34,280
that's pretty decent and you know James

2089
01:30:41,169 --> 01:30:38,090
Cameron is is telling us all about it in

2090
01:30:43,089 --> 01:30:41,179
his movies that are upcoming and it's

2091
01:30:44,500 --> 01:30:43,099
possible that there could be a moon like

2092
01:30:47,979 --> 01:30:44,510
that around one of the planets around

2093
01:30:49,839 --> 01:30:47,989
other since your eye system but you know

2094
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:49,849
it's really tough to travel between the

2095
01:30:53,919 --> 01:30:52,010
stars and why would we be special well

2096
01:30:57,399 --> 01:30:53,929
probably because of water water actually

2097
01:30:59,410 --> 01:30:57,409
is very very rare and carbon-based life

2098
01:31:01,270 --> 01:30:59,420
even though you know it's possible to

2099
01:31:03,779 --> 01:31:01,280
have silicon based life carbon-based

2100
01:31:06,549 --> 01:31:03,789
life seems to be the easiest to produce

2101
01:31:08,979 --> 01:31:06,559
and for that you need liquid water in

2102
01:31:13,089 --> 01:31:08,989
the right temperature zone and so forth

2103
01:31:15,819 --> 01:31:13,099
so you know it's a the the fact that you

2104
01:31:19,569 --> 01:31:15,829
need water in a atmosphere there's not

2105
01:31:23,649 --> 01:31:19,579
to reducing you know suggesting we are

2106
01:31:25,779 --> 01:31:23,659
fairly unique and you know there's

2107
01:31:27,069 --> 01:31:25,789
certainly a possibility I know sestak

2108
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:27,079
has talked about this that we'll

2109
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:28,880
probably discover life or have

2110
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:31,250
verification of life elsewhere in the

2111
01:31:36,129 --> 01:31:33,170
universe probably within five or ten

2112
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:36,139
years yes so we get that's just so we

2113
01:31:41,379 --> 01:31:38,690
can get funding yeah but those are gonna

2114
01:31:42,729 --> 01:31:41,389
be like bacteria or fungus or something

2115
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:42,739
like that we're not talking

2116
01:31:48,729 --> 01:31:47,090
advanced intelligent life and you know

2117
01:31:50,890 --> 01:31:48,739
those are going to be very very rare and

2118
01:31:52,690 --> 01:31:50,900
in fact you know you may have heard the

2119
01:31:55,870 --> 01:31:52,700
analogy that you know even to produce

2120
01:31:58,990 --> 01:31:55,880
the DNA molecule is so radically

2121
01:32:01,120 --> 01:31:59,000
difficult and requires so many steps

2122
01:32:04,900 --> 01:32:01,130
that it's the equivalent of saying that

2123
01:32:08,260 --> 01:32:04,910
a tornado came through a junkyard and

2124
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:08,270
left behind a fully formed Jeep Wrangler

2125
01:32:14,110 --> 01:32:12,050
I mean you know that's that's as

2126
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:14,120
unlikely as you know as the the odds

2127
01:32:21,729 --> 01:32:16,850
have it and yet we're here so we know

2128
01:32:23,770 --> 01:32:21,739
that it's possible so it's partly I'm

2129
01:32:25,540 --> 01:32:23,780
sorry go ahead I just say it just makes

2130
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:25,550
you really you know appreciate the

2131
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:27,440
likelihood and the the the numbers

2132
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:30,560
involved and that then it may also make

2133
01:32:36,370 --> 01:32:32,810
you think well maybe life didn't

2134
01:32:41,020 --> 01:32:36,380
originate here maybe the panspermia you

2135
01:32:43,150 --> 01:32:41,030
know theory is maybe life was started

2136
01:32:44,410 --> 01:32:43,160
elsewhere but that first spark of life

2137
01:32:46,750 --> 01:32:44,420
what the heck was it and how did it

2138
01:32:49,090 --> 01:32:46,760
happen you know that that that type of

2139
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:49,100
thing it's it's it's all fascinating and

2140
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:51,410
there's so many ways that we could not

2141
01:32:54,910 --> 01:32:53,360
be here like for instance if we didn't

2142
01:32:57,940 --> 01:32:54,920
have a moon perhaps we wouldn't be here

2143
01:32:59,860 --> 01:32:57,950
we didn't have extinction events most

2144
01:33:02,260 --> 01:32:59,870
likely would we wouldn't be here you

2145
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:02,270
know there's just it's just an amazing

2146
01:33:07,180 --> 01:33:03,890
thing how it all fell into place and

2147
01:33:08,979 --> 01:33:07,190
yeah yeah Neil deGrasse Tyson has a has

2148
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:08,989
a great series on you know the

2149
01:33:13,780 --> 01:33:10,250
university is trying to kill you

2150
01:33:15,820 --> 01:33:13,790
yeah because it's just impossible to to

2151
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:15,830
you know to fathom exactly how we could

2152
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:17,330
have got here given all the odds stacked

2153
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:20,960
against us exactly again the lines open

2154
01:33:26,050 --> 01:33:23,570
I thought we'd get some calls tonight

2155
01:33:27,970 --> 01:33:26,060
how we usually do eight five five four

2156
01:33:29,740 --> 01:33:27,980
seven two five four eight three they

2157
01:33:31,330 --> 01:33:29,750
probably just love what you're saying I

2158
01:33:34,180 --> 01:33:31,340
want to have you keep talking that's

2159
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:34,190
maybe what it is we have a we have a

2160
01:33:40,090 --> 01:33:35,840
screener standing by waiting to take

2161
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:40,100
your calls and and that is available let

2162
01:33:43,660 --> 01:33:42,170
me tell you that I am working on I've

2163
01:33:45,940 --> 01:33:43,670
mentioned I've done the Canadian UFO

2164
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:45,950
survey for quite a number of years I'm

2165
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:49,489
currently working on the 2019 version of

2166
01:33:52,510 --> 01:33:51,050
the Canadian UFO survey we're always a

2167
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:52,520
year out because it takes some time to

2168
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:56,449
gather the data I have

2169
01:34:00,520 --> 01:33:58,400
assistants who are helping enter the

2170
01:34:03,729 --> 01:34:00,530
information to a database they look at

2171
01:34:08,259 --> 01:34:03,739
every UFO report that's that's filed or

2172
01:34:12,399 --> 01:34:08,269
given to organizations and the reports

2173
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:12,409
come from you know organizations like

2174
01:34:18,370 --> 01:34:15,440
MUFON like UFO info there's a number of

2175
01:34:20,770 --> 01:34:18,380
Quebec organizations from UFO BC but

2176
01:34:23,799 --> 01:34:20,780
also from Transport Canada the

2177
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:23,809
equivalent of the FAA from other

2178
01:34:28,540 --> 01:34:26,090
official sources and reports that come

2179
01:34:30,250 --> 01:34:28,550
directly to us so oh and certainly we're

2180
01:34:31,870 --> 01:34:30,260
going through social media now for cases

2181
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:31,880
there a lot of things reported simply on

2182
01:34:36,910 --> 01:34:35,209
YouTube with somebody's video and so we

2183
01:34:38,529 --> 01:34:36,920
were looking at all these sources to get

2184
01:34:39,549 --> 01:34:38,539
a true picture not just one

2185
01:34:41,890 --> 01:34:39,559
organization's

2186
01:34:44,259 --> 01:34:41,900
analysis but a true picture of all the

2187
01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:44,269
organizations that are accepting unifor

2188
01:34:47,739 --> 01:34:46,190
reports new Fork you know Peter

2189
01:34:51,250 --> 01:34:47,749
Davenport's group is part of this as

2190
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:51,260
well and you know as I mentioned over

2191
01:34:56,259 --> 01:34:53,840
the course of the time we've noticed

2192
01:34:58,899 --> 01:34:56,269
somewhere around a thousand cases I've

2193
01:35:00,520 --> 01:34:58,909
heard and seen some reports saying that

2194
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:00,530
the numbers of UFO reports are

2195
01:35:05,469 --> 01:35:02,570
skyrocketing and going up because of all

2196
01:35:07,359 --> 01:35:05,479
the interest in you in the subject we're

2197
01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:07,369
not seeing that reflected in the actual

2198
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:09,440
data I can tell you that right now

2199
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:12,650
our 2019 report will not be available

2200
01:35:17,229 --> 01:35:15,440
until probably at least another month or

2201
01:35:21,339 --> 01:35:17,239
two there's a lot of work that has to be

2202
01:35:25,089 --> 01:35:21,349
done in terms of the analysis but we're

2203
01:35:27,279 --> 01:35:25,099
not seeing big increases in UFO reports

2204
01:35:29,140 --> 01:35:27,289
in fact we've noticed a significant dip

2205
01:35:31,509 --> 01:35:29,150
this year it'll be we're trying to

2206
01:35:33,819 --> 01:35:31,519
figure out exactly how how much that dip

2207
01:35:36,299 --> 01:35:33,829
is going to be but it's a significant

2208
01:35:39,879 --> 01:35:36,309
decrease from from years past we've had

2209
01:35:41,620 --> 01:35:39,889
a very good plateau of high levels of

2210
01:35:43,899 --> 01:35:41,630
reports the UFO reports have generally

2211
01:35:49,660 --> 01:35:43,909
increased with time up until a peak

2212
01:35:52,989 --> 01:35:49,670
around 2012 I think and then it's sort

2213
01:35:57,879 --> 01:35:52,999
of stayed fairly high throughout the the

2214
01:35:59,919 --> 01:35:57,889
teens and as we reached you know 1920

2215
01:36:01,930 --> 01:35:59,929
we've noticed a decrease in the number

2216
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:01,940
of reports that are being filed

2217
01:36:06,669 --> 01:36:03,440
right across the board through all

2218
01:36:08,830 --> 01:36:06,679
organizations so why this is so we're

2219
01:36:10,270 --> 01:36:08,840
not sure but we won't have the the

2220
01:36:13,979 --> 01:36:10,280
actual data for an

2221
01:36:16,419 --> 01:36:13,989
a few months and it you know I would say

2222
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:16,429
despite what you hear we just don't have

2223
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:19,250
the information yet well I do want to

2224
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:20,719
apologize to the people that are trying

2225
01:36:27,250 --> 01:36:23,690
to call in evidently there is a issue

2226
01:36:30,220 --> 01:36:27,260
the phone will not ring so race if

2227
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:30,230
you're listening my phone just went dead

2228
01:36:35,020 --> 01:36:32,449
I tried it try to connect with your race

2229
01:36:36,490 --> 01:36:35,030
but anyway maybe obviously the

2230
01:36:38,919 --> 01:36:36,500
government the government doesn't want

2231
01:36:41,589 --> 01:36:38,929
us that's exactly what it is though so I

2232
01:36:44,979 --> 01:36:41,599
will in this particular case if people

2233
01:36:48,549 --> 01:36:44,989
want to call in I'm going to change the

2234
01:36:51,279 --> 01:36:48,559
number up there you may call in until

2235
01:36:55,180 --> 01:36:51,289
this gets fixed that is you may call in

2236
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:55,190
at six oh three nine six seven four OH

2237
01:37:01,450 --> 01:36:57,170
three oh and I'll put that number up

2238
01:37:04,810 --> 01:37:01,460
that's six oh three nine six seven 403

2239
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:04,820
oh and I will take your ear call I mean

2240
01:37:08,169 --> 01:37:06,650
that's Barton's personal cell phone use

2241
01:37:10,810 --> 01:37:08,179
it as much as you want

2242
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:10,820
you can't believe it's not but you can't

2243
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:13,760
believe how many people do call when the

2244
01:37:19,629 --> 01:37:15,489
show was not when the show is not like

2245
01:37:21,399 --> 01:37:19,639
constantly call but that is I will thank

2246
01:37:25,419 --> 01:37:21,409
you for mentioning that so I remember to

2247
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,429
say that is a show only call and so we

2248
01:37:29,589 --> 01:37:27,199
will take the call I'll take that call

2249
01:37:32,260 --> 01:37:29,599
over here at Skype and again that 603

2250
01:37:34,899 --> 01:37:32,270
nine six seven 403 oh I'm sure we'll get

2251
01:37:37,709 --> 01:37:34,909
the other phone line all straightened

2252
01:37:41,799 --> 01:37:37,719
out before the the next show

2253
01:37:44,290 --> 01:37:41,809
unfortunately not now so again that

2254
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:44,300
number is up on the screen 603 nine six

2255
01:37:50,950 --> 01:37:47,119
seven 403 oh go ahead and call in if

2256
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:50,960
you'd like and we should see some calls

2257
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:54,530
come in and we don't have a whole lot of

2258
01:38:00,490 --> 01:37:58,010
time we have looks like about seven

2259
01:38:05,069 --> 01:38:00,500
minutes or so left so we can only take

2260
01:38:10,839 --> 01:38:05,079
one call if you'd like to call in and so

2261
01:38:13,689 --> 01:38:10,849
2019 2018 2017 I actually I either

2262
01:38:17,500 --> 01:38:13,699
somehow I get your wait a minute the old

2263
01:38:20,049 --> 01:38:17,510
phone numbers working someone's calling

2264
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:20,059
in and the old number and and that

2265
01:38:25,930 --> 01:38:24,080
number just that call just ended so

2266
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:25,940
looks like that call that line might be

2267
01:38:30,450 --> 01:38:27,290
working if someone like to call over

2268
01:38:36,370 --> 01:38:30,460
there again I'll pop that number back

2269
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:36,380
and I think I think the button in front

2270
01:38:40,690 --> 01:38:38,210
of you is for the Iowa caucus just want

2271
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:40,700
to push that one there now we have

2272
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:42,530
someone calling in on my personal line

2273
01:38:47,290 --> 01:38:45,170
oh here we are

2274
01:38:50,430 --> 01:38:47,300
we'll get through this all right caller

2275
01:38:55,020 --> 01:38:50,440
your first name where you calling from

2276
01:38:57,490 --> 01:38:55,030
caller you there let's try this one a

2277
01:38:59,520 --> 01:38:57,500
caller were you calling from and your

2278
01:39:03,400 --> 01:38:59,530
first name

2279
01:39:04,980 --> 01:39:03,410
it just keeps hanging up but this sorry

2280
01:39:07,810 --> 01:39:04,990
we wouldn't have a show without

2281
01:39:13,570 --> 01:39:07,820
technical difficulties and it looks like

2282
01:39:14,380 --> 01:39:13,580
we have someone over we have someone

2283
01:39:18,190 --> 01:39:14,390
ready to go

2284
01:39:22,060 --> 01:39:18,200
we have Vince Vince from Ohio

2285
01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:22,070
welcome to the show Vince can you hear

2286
01:39:30,220 --> 01:39:27,710
me Vince Vince is vanished then see you

2287
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:33,010
race we can't we cannot hear the we

2288
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:37,280
cannot hear the caller all right oh you

2289
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:41,330
know what I'm just gonna skip calls and

2290
01:39:44,470 --> 01:39:43,010
I have one more person trying to call

2291
01:39:47,050 --> 01:39:44,480
you this is crazy

2292
01:39:49,810 --> 01:39:47,060
Arden I've got him on I can hear him he

2293
01:39:51,250 --> 01:39:49,820
can hear you okay well we're not hearing

2294
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:51,260
them over here

2295
01:40:02,080 --> 01:39:56,210
all right caller are you there speak up

2296
01:40:05,410 --> 01:40:02,090
if you would it sounds like you're on a

2297
01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:05,420
soup can on a string so we're gonna have

2298
01:40:18,250 --> 01:40:11,140
to pass on on the call thanks for trying

2299
01:40:22,450 --> 01:40:18,260
it and okay we don't want to end the

2300
01:40:23,500 --> 01:40:22,460
show like this caller welcome to the

2301
01:40:28,510 --> 01:40:23,510
show your first name where you're

2302
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:28,520
calling from all right guess what no

2303
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:30,890
more calls I'm shutting the phone now

2304
01:40:37,450 --> 01:40:35,330
yeah I I'm sorry

2305
01:40:39,220 --> 01:40:37,460
you know people can always

2306
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:39,230
check me out on my blog I think you have

2307
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:46,130
a link there and the copies long okay so

2308
01:40:50,830 --> 01:40:48,290
yeah go ahead give you a blog over there

2309
01:40:52,510 --> 01:40:50,840
and people can contact a Chris that way

2310
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:52,520
I'll just try this call one more time

2311
01:40:54,900 --> 01:40:54,290
caller your first name where you calling

2312
01:40:58,030 --> 01:40:54,910
from

2313
01:41:00,700 --> 01:40:58,040
nope no more calls please no more calls

2314
01:41:03,610 --> 01:41:00,710
thank you all for trying to get through

2315
01:41:05,310 --> 01:41:03,620
and I'm sorry it just didn't work out

2316
01:41:11,110 --> 01:41:05,320
tonight

2317
01:41:13,870 --> 01:41:11,120
I'm also the admits the UFO discussion

2318
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:13,880
group in facebook so really what I know

2319
01:41:20,290 --> 01:41:15,920
that one not that's a good one yeah yeah

2320
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:20,300
yeah thank you yeah I I was asked to

2321
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:21,890
take it over following the passing of

2322
01:41:25,540 --> 01:41:23,810
Earle Bruce Knapp who ran it for many

2323
01:41:29,020 --> 01:41:25,550
years and people were involved no I

2324
01:41:31,620 --> 01:41:29,030
didn't bring yeah he passed yeah

2325
01:41:35,620 --> 01:41:31,630
so I'm actually the admitted at so join

2326
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:35,630
us and join the discussion and there's a

2327
01:41:39,550 --> 01:41:37,850
lot of interesting people on there you

2328
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:39,560
know trying to keep abreast of UFO news

2329
01:41:47,290 --> 01:41:41,840
and UFO cases and in Canada there's one

2330
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:47,300
called UFOs over Canada so you know the

2331
01:41:51,370 --> 01:41:49,489
the social media is a excellent way to

2332
01:41:52,990 --> 01:41:51,380
keep in touch with what's going on and

2333
01:41:57,100 --> 01:41:53,000
you can even follow me at ufology

2334
01:41:58,900 --> 01:41:57,110
research on twitter so there's so much

2335
01:42:02,830 --> 01:41:58,910
information out there but I would just

2336
01:42:05,110 --> 01:42:02,840
urge people to you know to have an open

2337
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:05,120
mind and because it's very important to

2338
01:42:10,060 --> 01:42:08,090
have an open mind except not so open

2339
01:42:12,430 --> 01:42:10,070
that your brains fall out and you know

2340
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:12,440
there's a lot of gray matter on the

2341
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:14,030
sidewalk that you have to step through

2342
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:18,050
these so try and try and stay level and

2343
01:42:23,310 --> 01:42:20,000
but you know there's so much cool stuff

2344
01:42:25,540 --> 01:42:23,320
out there just just keep an eye out yeah

2345
01:42:26,860 --> 01:42:25,550
so I'm just I mentioned this again we

2346
01:42:29,170 --> 01:42:26,870
I'm sorry we're not gonna take any more

2347
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:29,180
we're not gonna try to take calls thank

2348
01:42:33,130 --> 01:42:30,650
you so much for trying to call though we

2349
01:42:35,229 --> 01:42:33,140
really do appreciate it and sorry you

2350
01:42:36,910 --> 01:42:35,239
couldn't get through tonight so uh I

2351
01:42:40,330 --> 01:42:36,920
would like to ask this because you have

2352
01:42:43,390 --> 01:42:40,340
been at this so long do you ever get the

2353
01:42:45,820 --> 01:42:43,400
burn out with you know you've had it

2354
01:42:47,650 --> 01:42:45,830
this is just too much and you know you

2355
01:42:49,660 --> 01:42:47,660
want to move on and just not look back

2356
01:42:51,220 --> 01:42:49,670
do you ever get that you seem to have a

2357
01:42:53,650 --> 01:42:51,230
great attitude

2358
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:53,660
well you know because I don't have as

2359
01:42:57,460 --> 01:42:55,520
much invested in it I'm not trying to

2360
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:57,470
prove that aliens are here like so many

2361
01:43:03,490 --> 01:43:00,560
people I'm fascinated with the subject I

2362
01:43:08,740 --> 01:43:03,500
find it interesting from from a number

2363
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:08,750
of stand points and I continually you

2364
01:43:14,140 --> 01:43:11,210
know talk to people about cases we have

2365
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:14,150
the unique opportunity to examine each

2366
01:43:18,580 --> 01:43:16,880
and every report that is filed in Canada

2367
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:18,590
and we end up following up and talking

2368
01:43:23,530 --> 01:43:19,760
to very many people

2369
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:23,540
we we have you know the the advantage of

2370
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:25,610
looking at all the cases we went you

2371
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:28,130
know this is this is beyond what you

2372
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:31,010
hear on TV and on Project Blue Book and

2373
01:43:35,380 --> 01:43:33,170
all those shows that are mostly fiction

2374
01:43:37,390 --> 01:43:35,390
these are the actual cases this is what

2375
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:37,400
people really are reporting and we share

2376
01:43:43,210 --> 01:43:40,250
those every year on the Canadian UFO

2377
01:43:45,940 --> 01:43:43,220
survey and we talk about them on

2378
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:45,950
Facebook and you know I do get I don't

2379
01:43:50,770 --> 01:43:48,320
do a lot of conferences compared to what

2380
01:43:53,620 --> 01:43:50,780
a lot of the pop ones do but I do go to

2381
01:43:56,050 --> 01:43:53,630
some and I I don't do all that many

2382
01:43:57,760 --> 01:43:56,060
podcasts actually so yes I know it

2383
01:44:00,300 --> 01:43:57,770
taught but maybe you actually have to

2384
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:00,310
have me back and just do phone calls

2385
01:44:05,230 --> 01:44:03,770
well I know it I actually started

2386
01:44:08,620 --> 01:44:05,240
bugging you a few years ago because you

2387
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:08,630
were on once way back and then and then

2388
01:44:12,820 --> 01:44:11,090
we met at the conference and I would

2389
01:44:15,790 --> 01:44:12,830
love to have you back on again though

2390
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:15,800
because this is the type of talking I

2391
01:44:21,460 --> 01:44:18,290
really enjoy the most and it's been

2392
01:44:23,980 --> 01:44:21,470
extremely pleasurable for me no it's a

2393
01:44:26,410 --> 01:44:23,990
great trick you bet on things yeah all

2394
01:44:28,780 --> 01:44:26,420
right everyone so anyway good night

2395
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:28,790
Chris and thank thanks so much and I'm

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sorry we couldn't take the calls and

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we'll talk to you soon okay thanks good

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night good night alright everyone so

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that is it for the show tonight

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and next week we will back with we will

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be back with Chuck Zukowski and I'm glad

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I didn't get the names confused tonight

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between Chris rutkowski and Chuck

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Zukowski so he'll be back next week with

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him and thanks so much for listening to

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the show anyone can support you can go

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over to patreon or over at our website

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don't forget to check out the blogs over

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there

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and I do want to thank people that help

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behind the scenes as well and remember

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everyone everyone to keep your eyes to

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the sky